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adamgti
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Hi all,
I would like to build a set of arrows for a bow that was recently given to me.

I want to take advantage of its power by building a set of thin diameter shafts with an above average foc. (EFOC)

I would like to have a total arrow weight of more then 800 gr.

Currently this bow shoots:

7595 gt traditional only shafts, full length with a 200gr point and a 100gr insert.

These arrows aren't perfect and I wanted to start fresh with this bow and try something a little new.

Anyways,
thanks for any ideas on arrow shafts you all might have.

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Quartermoon 62" r/d longbow 53# @ 29"

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Txnrog
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Think those are a .300 or .340 deflection shaft - what to go with will probably depend on what you mean by "aren't perfect" - as in too stiff, weak, or just not heavy enough.

FMJ's are good thin shafts, but they can be heavy to get the FOC. Might want to look at goldtip kenetics or Victory VAPs. You can go up on spine a bit maybe .300 or .250 and get the FOC and addtl weight with a 300gr head.

Only reason I know this is i have been monkeying with setups for buffalo targeting the 800-900gr range with strong FOC.

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adamgti
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fantastic,

I was hoping to use the experience on here to save me some serious research time as I really just want to look at stiff light shafts to project and play with.

I'll look into those two shafts and keep you posted on how it all works out.

thank you

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Quartermoon 62" r/d longbow 53# @ 29"

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I have gotten a 900gr arrow with EFOC using a Bloodline 330 with a 17'' 2117 footing on it, a 75gr brass insert and a 300gr head.

I found that the footing initally acted to weaken the arrow, like more point weight would. As it got longer though it added stiffness to the shaft. I tuned the shaft by adjusting the footing length.

As proof of this concept, the finished shaft had a AMO deflection of .175'' but it flew fine from a 70# longbow.

Something for you to monkey around with, having a footing that long makes a really tough arrow that acts almost like it's a tapered shaft.

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Ragim Fox Custom 62'' 50#@28''

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halfseminole
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You could try a piece of nylon rope in the arrow shaft as well.
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calgarychef
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Adam look at the arrow dynamics website. I struggled a lot making heavy shafts and finally settled on Heritage express 350's shot out of a 63 lb bow. The hard part of your quest is the skinny shaft part as skinny usually doesn't equate to stiff enough spine for EFOC.
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JamesKerr
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If the 7595's aren't working for you, then I would say to take a look at the carbon express line of maxima blue streaks. They come in different spines and are pretty light as far as gpi. They have a skinnier outside diameter than most shafts but still use 5/16" components as the inner diameter is the same as 5/16" arrows. I believe the outer diameter is close to 9/32" though. You could use brass glue in glue on adapters with a heavy head weight and get a really high foc.

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willyr1
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Im looking into this as well at the moment. What is a footing?

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68" falco legend 50#@28

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tradtusker
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Have a look at the Gold Tip Kinetic's I been using them for a few years now, great shafts.

Here's a how-to on footing arrows, but there are also a few Great video's from tradgangers showing the process.

http://broadsidebowhunter.com.au/node/27#.U6JIWC_Nfe0

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willyr1
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This may be a silly question but im herring contradictory things about footing. The gold tip weight system with weights screwing into the back of the arrow inserts, I thought this weakens the spine of the arrow. But if a footing strengthens the spine these weights must also act to some degree as an internal footing? Am I on the right thought path or not? Cheers.
Willy Roundhill

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68" falco legend 50#@28

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Bart S
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Tradtusker- what's your full setup with the kinetics? I was wanting those but they're only 30" in the 200 spine so I don't have much length to play with my 29 1/4 draw

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64" TD Blacktail Elite, 60# @ 29 1/4"

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hunt it
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Try FMJ Dangerous game shafts, come with brass inserts and you'll need nothing else but good broadhead.

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hunt it

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damascusdave
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I am shooting 250 spine Dangerous Games with 250 grain points...they weigh just over 900 grains full length..not a place I thought I would ever end up but they bareshaft very nicely...and they sure do take care of that last bit of bow noise

DDave

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JDunlap
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I bet you could cut those 7595's down to about 30 inches and get some serious weight on the tip and be somewhere close to 800grains. I just built my first "heavy" arrow tonight using one. 7595 cut to 30.5 inches, 110 grains insert, 250 grain field tip, 1" 2216 aluminum footing and 1/4" 2216 nock collar. Total arrow weight = 734 grains and shoots real nice.

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Sandy Biles Scorpion TD RC; 54@28
RER XR Static Tip RC; 56@28
RER LX LB 60@28 and 53@28

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JDunlap
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btw, the 7595 traditionals are .300 spine; next year Big Jims says they will be .340

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Sandy Biles Scorpion TD RC; 54@28
RER XR Static Tip RC; 56@28
RER LX LB 60@28 and 53@28

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