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Maryland Mountain Man
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I have more than a few primitive bows that as soon as I got them I changed the string to the three line Flemish twist with the yellow/brown coloring you can buy from most vendors. The original strings that came with the bows were black Flemish twist, with just two lines twisted. So... I have a small collection of these strings and I was wondering how well center servings takes to the less round shaped of the double twist vs. the triple twist? Or is there even any benefit of trying to use these strings (I was thinking their smaller profile might add a few fps)

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The center serving will take just fine on the double twist.

The biggest and most noticeable fps different you'll get with strings is changing from B-50 to a fast flight material string. My bows averaged 5-7 fps speed gain when I made the switch.

Less mass and less twist will make a faster string all else being equal.

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Many thanks. Most of my bows don't have horn nocks and it said not to use fast flight with them so I didn't try. I did try endless loop on one of my hickory English longbows and from the serving/wrapping around the nock points I noticed it started to chew into the wood a little bit over time so I stopped using it and went back to the B-50. I'll order a center server tool and give the double twist flemish a whirl and see what the chrono has to say about it. Thanks again.

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A lot of bowyers on here as well as myself believe that the fast flight scare is a myth. Most of the problems involve nocks that would have given any string a problem. You can read hundreds of posts about the subject here and on other websites.
That being said, if your bow specifically says not to use fast flight, I wouldn't use it.

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When you make any type of string. The final shape of the string should be completely round.

Ben..
A Flemish twist string is typically only twisted at the loops??

Don't know where ya got that at Ben, but it is not true. All I make is flemish strings. After both loops are twisted up, I twist the string till I get the brace height I need.

When making a flemish string, after you make the first loop. You need to hook that first loop over some sort of post, pull it tight, and twist each bundle separately, backwards till it lays straight. Count the number of twists it took to get it straight, then twist it that many more times in the same directions. That makes the string round as heck when done.

I seen a video on this, and it works. I'll look for it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Roy from Pa:
When you make any type of string. The final shape of the string should be completely round.

Ben..
A Flemish twist string is typically only twisted at the loops??

Don't know where ya got that at Ben, but it is not true. All I make is flemish strings. After both loops are twisted up, I twist the string till I get the brace height I need.

When making a flemish string, after you make the first loop. You need to hook that first loop over some sort of post, pull it tight, and twist each bundle separately, backwards till it lays straight. Count the number of twists it took to get it straight, then twist it that many more times in the same directions. That makes the string round as heck when done.

I seen a video on this, and it works. I'll look for it.

Yep
After twisting the first loop, the rest of the string will be twisted the wrong way, by untwisting each bundle (like Roy said ) and back twisting more you will end up with a round string.

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All of the strings I make for my bows over many years are 2 ply B-50 and I've never has a center serving come loose and they are as round as any.

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With modern materials it doesn't matter how you make them. The materials are so strong and durable nobody knows the differences anymore (beacuse they don't matter)!
3 ply is stronger and rounder than a 2 ply in the reverse twisted sections.
The best is 7 plys each made of 7 simple plys. The reason - 7 plys are rounder with less dead weight and more even strain than any other section. Look at the best wire leaders for shark fishing if you don't believe me haha!

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Oh and the thing about not using fastflight is hogwash [Smile] with one exception - true composite hornbows over about 70# don't like fastflight it will damge their nocks.
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If you don't untwist the bundles you will have a string that is out of round just like Roy said.

Dang, I hate it when Roy is right and I have to pump up his ego.......

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Eric, I'll be sending you a Xmas present.. LOL

Okie doke, Ben.

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Roy is right.

I don't make enough strings so I review the video below just about every time I make one. I don't use fishing line or self nocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPEv_R8dSQc&t=410s

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