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Wade Phillips
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Tim - A lot of the 1950s Kodiak Specials have the same finish problems in the recurved area like yours. Maybe BowDoc can give us an explanation about what is going with the finish there.

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Wade, I noticed that as well and it was predominately on the 55-56's that I've seen this. Maybe it was something with the grey glass and the type of finish. It doesn't affect the the way the bow shoots at all, and the wrinkled finish is still pretty tough finish, I can't get it to pick off with my fingernail like brittle finish would. Feels like wrinkled plastic. I'd be interested in knowing more.

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I'll post up some pics and info about those Tim.Thats actually somewhat common on those years and it is not in the finish.Those little wrinkled plastic-ie like feeling stuff is really in the fiberglass.I have a 1956 all striped down out in my shop.I will get some pics up asap.
Wade are we posting all the year KS in this post ? the reason I ask is I have to do some book work today which sucks.But I do have several ledgers I've recorded every bow I've worked on or let me say 90% of them.I would be happy to post up all the year Specials I have recorded ???? bd

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Doc - Yes, lets use this thread to post all the info on the Kodiak Specials. That way anyone can look here and find what they want to know about them, if it is ID or misc information.


Thought I might go back through the list and ask each owner to tell us if the bows are original or restored. May held understand some of the data a little better when we begin to analyze it.

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Wade...my 59 KS with no-underlays is original.

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Thanks Doc, looking forward to seeing the pics.

This is turning out to be a great thread. Something like this might be done on a regular basis, where all the info can be combined for specific models. I've thought about going back thru all the post in this forum and documenting all the information on discussed models.

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ok here's a 1956 Kodiak Special..R XM482 60" 36#@26"...bd  -
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I was thinking we should add this stuff about the indentations to restoration 101.It will take up a lot of space on our KS thread.Let me know what you guy's think.bd  -
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I've actually seen those same spots of broken fibers on almost every year and every make bow.Here's a 1968 Super Kodiak with them on both ends...bd  -
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another Special for our hunt..1962 lefthand..bd  -
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and another 1956 Kodiak Special..bd  -
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Doc - Yes, you should add the broken fibers photographs and explanations to your restoration 101 thread. You want to be sure to include everything on BowDoc's Restoration 101. The local Seattle community College will probably title your restoration course, BDR 101.

Guess just an explanation and photograph would be enough for this thread,

Just looked at a few bows with these broken fiber bows under some magnification...

Doc - As you say, they appear to be broken fibers near the surface. Apparently there is a mini explosion when the fiber and resin break apart that separates/expands the materials and creates a partial void, which appears to the untrained eye as a bubble on the surface.

Rather than use past phrases like “those annoying little eye sores” or “bubbled finish”, we should standardize on a descriptive name for this broken fiber phenomenon.

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some guy's call them pull offs.Which most are caused by glue sticking to the limbs and when seperated from the form it pulls some fibers out of the glass or can also be cause by the removel of the tape used to protect the glass from the glue.bd
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bd, have you even seen those in an area other than the deep curve?

I was thinking they were caused by the glass fibers popping up or kinking while under compression on the form. On the opposite side of the curve I've seen what looks like the glass fibers snapping and pulling away from each other while under tension on the form. Opposite sides of the limb, opposite effects, but similar cause.

Either way, they were there when the bow was made and don't cause any harm that I can see other than cosmetic.

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here's another Special for our list I say a 1958..bd  -  -
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