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d. ward
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and another gbay 1959 KS WC554L 64" 50# 550.00 BIN...seems a bit high priced for me.Thats not that rare of a special..bd
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Doc - Recorded the auction bow...

We now have 36 recorded 1959 Kodiak Specials... Things seem to have slowed down a lot so we might as well take a look at the data we have compiled even though some of our sample length is small.

First I'd like to ask Trap if he feels that his original question was answered with the data... It was something to the effect, are the 59 specials with underlays the earlier bows or the later bows....

1959 62", 42# - VA040 - underlays - Bjorn
1959 62", 59# - VA105 - underlays - BowDoc
1959 62", 46# - VA 228 - no underlays - Chuck
1959 62", 50# - VA467L - no underlays - Wade
1959 62", 50# - VA558L - no underlays - Trap
1959 62", 55# - VA612L - no underlays - Wade
1959 62", 40-45# - 17HX12 - no underlays - Chuck

1959 64", 52# - WA139 - underlays - Wade
1959 64", 52# - WA749 - underlays - BowDoc
1959 64", 48# - WB504 - underlays - Trap
1959 64", 28# - WB934 – no underlays - Bill (original)
1959 64", 45# - WC020 - underlays - Chuck
1959 64", 53# - WC061 - no underlays - Jeremy
1959 64", 47# - WC365L - no underlays – Wade
1959 64", 50# - WC554L - auction
1959 64", 50# - ?????? - no underlays – Wade
1959 64", 52# - WL197 - no underlays - Bjorn

1959 66", 28# - XA844 - underlays - Wade
1959 66", 43# - XA969 - underlay - Bjorn
1959 66", 37# - XB05 - underlays - Dennis
1959 66", 42# - XC 412 - no underlays - Chris
1959 66", 44# - XD049 - no underlays - Scott
1959 66", 49# - XD178 - no underlays - Bjorn
1959 66", 40# - XE403L - no underlays - seboomook
1959 66", 47# - XE685 – no underlays Dennis
1959 66", 39# - XF090 – no underlays - Chuck
1959 66", 40# - XF877R - no underlays - Chuck

1959 68", 45#@29" - YA349 - underlays - Dennis
1959 68", 45# - YA367 - underlays - Wade
1959 68", 39# - YA456 - underlays - 2-26-08 Auction
1959 68”, 32# - YB499A - no underlays – Chuck
1959 68", 47# - YB626L - no underlays - Jeff
1959 68", 38# - YB965 - no underlays - Wade
1959 68", 55# - 9YX29 - no underlays - Bjorn

1959 70", 40# - ZA110 - underlays - Chuck
1959 70", 38# - ?????? - underlays removed - Wade

On 1959 Kodiak Specials, factory underlays are a layer of black marcata that was added to the belly side of the last 4" of the limb tips of some bows as shown below. The term, "underlays", is collector jargon to describe this cosmetic feature in a single word. The purpose of this list is to determine the order and frequency of this cosmetic feature.

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Wade, Yes, I think the data reaffirms what I had been told by Bjorn and Bowdoc some time ago, that the underlays appeared on the earliest 59 Kodiak Specials.

I would have assumed that the 62" was less common than any other length, but it appears the 70" bow has at least been less available to the few collectors represented here.

Of course, the larger group of 62" bows could just mean they were recognized as great shooters and therefore hoarded by the collectors here. They are sweet.

Neat data set, way to go Wade

Trap

[ March 05, 2009, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: TRAP ]

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Trap - Good observations.

I have always thought from the number and lengths of 59 KS that I have seen over the years, that the 70" was the rarest, 62" was second rarest and that the 66" was the most common. The data seems to support my thoughts that were based on the I've bows seen ...

That is if you use the serial numbers as opposed to the total number of each length that we have recorded...

Note the highest 62" serial number is VA612.. (disregarding Chuck no letter #)

The 64" goes WA, WB, WC,...

The 66" goes XA, XB, XC, XD, XE, XF

The 68" goes YA, YB...

Yes, I believe this group of collectors is hording the 62" length.

It's nice to have some real data to use for comparisons rather than simply making statements based on recollections.

Thanks to everyone who contributed.

Any other observations about the data???

I still believe our sample size is way too small especially given that only two 70" bows are recorded.

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Great thread Wade!

Been gone for a few days and missed alot of good stuff.

I dont have a 59 for the list(Yet!), but here's the one's I do have....
two 61's, a 63 and a 66.
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Greg - Great photographs!!! Do you realize that you are making some collectors drool and others scratch there balding scalps ??? Very interesting bows indeed.

Wonder how many of the "Dating Bear Bows by Coin Experts" have seen a 1961 Kodiak Special with NO COIN... Not sure how they date that 1961 bow...

We haven't started a list for 1961-1967 Kodiak Specials yet... but when we do, your 1963 will be at the top of the list for GRAIN & LOOKS !!!

Thanks so much for sharing a very professional photograph of some very "Special" Kodiak Specials.

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this is an odd color tip underlay...bd  -
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Doc - Is that the tip underlay that you just put on?

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Yes one side of the string groove was cracked and raised.So I glued the original glass back down and then added the red underlays to make sure.Thats red canvas underlay which is pretty flexable its the same material used in the middle laminations on black widow bows.I was going to add the pic to res.101.bd
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Rich
my '58 is YG895 62" @ 49#

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Rich - These are the five 1958 KS that I have kept for shooting and display...

Kodiak Specials
1958 62", 44# - YC815
1958 64", 55# - YC124
1958 66", 49# - YC345
1958 68", 45# - YC753
1958 70", 54# - YE921

I believe I still have one more 62", 55# but can not find it right now as it was never in the display, just in with the extras. If I find it, will let you know.

It is obvious the 1958 KS letter sequence order is much different than the more straight forward sequence used in 1959.

I have never attempted to track the 1958 KS numbering to be able to give you an order that could be followed 90%+ of the time like the 1959 KS.

If anyone wants to post their 1958 Kodiak Special Serial numbers, I will add them to this list by editing the post so we can try to make sense of them...

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[ March 14, 2009, 01:36 PM: Message edited by: Bowbent ]

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I'd love to help on this one....but....I dont have one [Frown]

Yet [bigsmyl]

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Bowbent - Nice 1955 and 1956 Kodiak Specials. Don't think we want to start a serial number recording session just yet on those years, but if you leave the photographs posted, we can refer back to them and get them recorded if we continue on and record the 55/56 serial numbers.

Also want to mention your photographs are a little oversize for what TradGang permits. 640 is the max width, unless it has changed recently. I'd hate to see one of the moderators remove your post.

OK Trap - I mentioned in my post that I can not find a 62", 55# right now that has been floating around here for quite a while... and a couple of hours later, you suddenly post that you want one...

Or are you just looking for any 1958?

Tonight in the boneyard (the garage racks of extra bows) I did find a couple of 66" 1957 KS, 34# & 46# both looks straight.

As I am sure you know the 1957 and 1958 were built on the same form, the difference being the laminations in the riser. Blindfolded I'm not sure anyone would know the difference shooting bows from the two different years.

If you are interested in either or both, you know I will cheat you right... oops, I meant, treat you right...

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Kodiak Specials
1958 62", 47# - YG315
1958 64", 33#@26" - YE390
1958 66", 57# - YF995
1958 68", 58# - YE421
1958 70", player to be named at a later date....

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