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Wade Phillips
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Gary -

You have a nice 52" EXP with 59-60 glass colors. Yes, the riser slabs are Bubinga, but not sure about the sight window wood, it may be walnut as you suggest.

Your bow is a near twin to mine, also 52" with 59-60 glass colors, no riser overlays, Bubinga slabs, walnut? sight window, and marked EXP and 68#, shown below on burgundy carpet. I labeled mine a 1960 because of the black and white tip overlays and more importantly the fat, "tennis ball in the hand", grip.

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Gary's twin brother below with much nicer looking grain in the sight window...

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Wade-
64" Rosewood '59. EL963 64" 40#
60" Rosewood '59 BA269 60" 40#
56" Maple '59 no serial number , 56", 35#@26"
64" Bubinga '59 DC009 64" 42#

as far as my 62" 1955, I'll have to take some pics and load them in photobucket....be patient nothing happens fast in my world... I'll post pics in a new thread...

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Wade Phillips
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Chuck -

Thanks for posting the specs on your rare 1959 Kodiaks. Got them recorded.

This list of rare 59 Kodiaks is beginning to take shape.

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Wade Phillips
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Judging from this image that johnnyrazorhead posted on another thread, it looks like he may also have a Dark Rosewood Sight Window Kodiak shown at the bottom of the image... John, is that a 60" Rosewood Sight Window Kodiak that is nearest to your toes? I'm guessing that it is and will temporally record it on the list on the first post of this thread. What is the serial number & weight of the bottom bow?

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Wade,that bottom bow closest to my toes is my 56",1959 Kodiak that I got along with some other unique,experimental bows. I was looking at it earlier tonight after reading your post and wondered if it might be a rosewood sight window. How can I tell for certain? It's very dark but not sure if it's rosewood or purple heart.Serial number is AA039,48#,56".
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John, I hope you clipped the nails for your next picture.
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quote:
Originally posted by johnnyrazorhead:
...bottom bow closest to my toes ...wondered if it might be a rosewood sight window. How can I tell for certain? It's very dark but not sure if it's rosewood or purple heart.Serial number is AA039,48#,56".

John - Very carefully pry up the strike plate and look under it to see the more original color of the wood. If the strike plate is original to the bow, you will be able to more easily identify the wood in the sight window, as the wood under the strike plate will be much lighter is the strike plate as been on the bow since it left the factory. If you need to, you can even scratch some finish off the sight window surface under the strike plate to expose the raw unfinished wood. Just glue the strike plate back down with contact cement, (don't use super glue).

I've seen several 59 Kodiaks with dark sight windows that the wood could not be easily identified. Some fifty year plus Purple Heart can get very dark to the point it resembles the darkness of the Rosewood that was used in a limited number 59 Kodiaks.

In my experience, the 59 Kodiaks with questionable sight window wood, have almost always turned out to be Purple Heart.

The Dark Rosewood used in the 59 Kodiak sight window is very similar to the Dark Rosewood used in the 1958 Kodiak Special Sight Window.

Hope some of this helps you to positively identify the sight window wood of your 56" Kodiak.

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Has anyone ever come across a 60" maple sight window 1959 that is marked DA instead of BA? Recently found one that is marked DA in VERY small gold lettering. It should be a 64" bow but it is only 60". Is it mismarked possibly?

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The problem with serial numbers is that they were inscribed by humans and none of us are perfect, so we all have been known to make mistakes.

Anything could be marked on any bow, accidentally or on purpose, either at the time the bow is made or after it left the factory.

That is why knowledgeable collectors do not rely on serial numbers as the sole determining factor in identification. Serial numbers are a cosmetic factor, like coins in risers, neither of which can be considered as 100% accurate for dating every Bear bow every produced.

You should post an image of the inscription so we can see what you mean by "Very small gold lettering".

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Wade,
What is your email address? I can send you some pics of the bow that my brother took with hi Ipad. The pics are not great but I will try to get you some better ones with my camera. I have not had much luck posting pics on this website! I don't want to hack the thread you started as well. Thanks.

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In regards to mis-marked bows,it is possible. People wrote those specs on the bows and people do make mistakes. I have a 52" 1963 Kodiak Magnum that has 60" factory written on the bow. After writing on several hundred bows I imagine the person(s) responsible could have gotten it wrong on occasion.
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I'm fairly certain this is the more common purple heart sight window. Thought I would post it, perhaps to be used as an example.

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Nice bow Larry.

I have 2 '59s that are pretty uncommon-won't say rare. One is MSW 60" and 48#@28. BA 260-black ink no coin.
The second is MSW 64" and 50#@28 DA 589 it is black ink with a coin.
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That's the 60" bow.

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Was it somewhat common for '59 and '60 bows to not have a coin? I have Kodiak Deluxe that is smooth as a babie's bottom where the coin should be...

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I have a 64" MSW, 45#@28" - DA 042.
It also has the number in black ink and no coin.
I've read that the lack of a coin on a 59 Kodiak indicates an early production bow.
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