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Ohhhhhhhhh...no wonder I never heard of it.
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Not to start a debate, but IMHO... In viewing the old films from the 50's on DVD (Hill and Bear), although Hill was a great shot on the range, the best ever in fact, I would say that Fred Bear was a better hunter. His films show what appears to be honest shots, both hits and misses, at wild game in fair chase situations. In Hill's films, there appears to be wires or snares holding game still for the shot. I have watched them in slow motion, and several of the animals where tied by the leg to a wire, you can see it moving across the grass. And I read an account in a vintage archery mag about Tembo the Elephant being shot in the leg with a rifle, essentialy hobbling him so Hill could get close enough to shoot him with an arrow. I wish that I had never bought the Hill films. Hill was one hell of a shot, but Fred Bear is THE #1 MAN in my book!
*1926/Art Young in Alaska; much more primitive film equip. than Hill had in 1950 Africa, but no snares or hobbeled animals, just pure hunting and archery skill!
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Archery is a learned sport but great archers IMO have a a gift or genetics that make them a cut above. Whether he would win or not my vote goes to Mr. Howard Hill.
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Hit-or-miss Please don't judge Hill from the realities of film making when he made 'Tembo'. In those days you had to carry an 150 pound camera and a tripod; and your camera settings were determined by the use of a light meter- you went over to where you were taking the picture of something; and got the light reading; then went back and set your shutter speed and openings.
It is nothing like the cameras that came out later that were easy to carry and forgiving of lots of light conditions.
To shoot a movie of an elephant hunt; you would have had to sneak up to the elephant and take your light meter reading; then sneak back to film Hill shooting.
Hill was showing what an arrow could do- even to an elephant; and was not able to do that any other way than he did.
Fred Bear was a great man; and well loved by a lot of people including me.
I think though Wilhelm would be the one that would show us a thing or two: and go back laughing.
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quote:Originally posted by Hit-or-Miss: Not to start a debate, but IMHO... In viewing the old films from the 50's on DVD (Hill and Bear), although Hill was a great shot on the range, the best in fact, I would say that Fred Bear was a better hunter. His films show what appears to be honest shots, both hits and misses, at wild game in fair chase situations. In Hill's films, there appears to be wires or snares holding game still for the shot. I have watched them in slow motion, and several of the animals where tied by the leg to a wire, you can see it moving across the grass. And I read an account in a vintage archery mag about Tembo the Elephant being shot in the leg with a rifle, essentialy hobbling him so Hill could get close enough to shoot him with an arrow. I wish that I had never bought the Hill films. Hill was one hell of a shot, but Fred Bear is THE #1 MAN in my book!
Interesting, I have the Tembo dvd coming from Netflix this week. I will pay close attention to this.
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but MR. HILL. is and will ever be the WORLD'S BEST ARCHER.. NO DEBATE NESSESARY...
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Let's turn that around and say the top archers of today have to make their own equipment and use self bows, linen strings and wood arrows, and shoot with the masters of years gone by. Now how ya betting on that one.
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What about Mr.Ferguson? Seeing him shoot it out with Howard Hill and Lajos Kassai would be brilliant!
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all those old timers were awesome but im curious as to who is the best today
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quote:Originally posted by mattmcdonald: all those old timers were awesome but im curious as to who is the best today
When competing against myself I am!...LOL
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