I've been building woodies for a while, useing Helmsman spar urethane for a finish and Testors enamel for cresting, has been working fine.
BUT when I use Testors silver for highlights, the metal flake in the silver runs when I put the next coat of finish over it.
? can I spray a water base poly over the cresting to seal it and go over that with the Helmsman.
? use a different silver paint.
The silver paint is the only issue here, everything else is fine.
Thanks
Eric
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I have seen this happen likewise. I no longer coat over the cresting,they hold up just fine. Gordon
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I gave up on both silver and gold. They just don't work for me. Anything I put over them makes them run. No over coat and they are the first to rub off.
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Give Profin a try for your finish. I use acrylics and have not had an issue with them runnung.
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Eric, try letting them sit for 24 hrs if you use the silver, If you try a water based sealer the same thing will happen, ( thats all I use) it only happens with the silver, but letting it dry for a day works good for me.
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Luvnlongbow, your close. I just happened to remember I have some Acrylic enamel silver from Bob Burton. I put some lines on a test shaft, let it dry, went and dipped it and it looks like its holding.
So I did a real test, put some black testors on a test shaft let it set up, then put some acrylic silver lines on it. Let it dry and dipped it. I guess I rushed it a little, the black hadnt cured yet and ran down the shaft, but the silver stayed put. So I re-did it will let it set till tomorrow and dip.
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I have been using ProFin for my dipped arrow finish and it some sweet finish. I have been cresting with Testors enamel and found out the first time that the silver runs in an 'oil' based finish. Now, I coat the crest with water based Polyurethane after the Testors has dryed for a couple days. I use a foam brush to apply while the shaft spins in the crester - use enough Poly, not to thin. Let the Poly dry well and dip in ProFin and no running of the silver.
I am going to change over to acrylics for cresting to avoid that overcoating of Poly to save time.
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I don't know how long you let them sit once crested, but a good rule to live by when working with wood and finishes, is to let everything you do sit for a day. Don't rush anything, give it time to set up, and 24 hrs is just about right for everything I do.
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Ray, I'll find out tomorrow, but it looks like just switching to acrylic silver will do the trick.
Eric
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Yep, that is what I did too.... switched to all acrylic enamels from testors to use with my Profin topcoat. I had problems with gold and silver running on me in the regular enamels. If I let them dry for 3-4 days it worked okay, just got tired of waiting that long and always worrying about my gold and silver outlines running on me. No worries now with the water based acrylic enamel from testors.
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Use minwax as the sealer and minwax spray for the top coat after you have let the paint dry 24 hours. Just a couple of light coats. I would suggest the regular gloss poly as the top coat spray as the Helmsman will yellow your colors. Krylon Crystal clear works well for the sealer / top coat as well.
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I use testors clear spray over cresting and had no problems
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I use Testor Gold and next day coat with Minwax water base poly using a 1/2 in wide brush. Never had the gold run. RonL
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