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TDHunter
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Your right I should have been more specific. I guess longbow lovers will always say there longbows are fast with no hand shock. Again I fired dozens of longbows and everyone had had shock......again compared to my recurve, which at the moment is a 3 pc Checkmate.

I was just hoping there were some other recurve shooters who've found that longbow that is dead in the hand. Like I said my ACS CX is just that, Fast and silent and 0 hand shock(3pc). I like to find a one piece longbow with similar characteristics.

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That can be true,for me I guess I just don't feel hanshock like others can on some bows.I started out shooting longbows and prefer them.I don't feel handshock from my HH Halfbreed with a low stretch string.With a Hill style bow some love them and others hate them.They type of string on some longbows can increase handshock.
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There are a lot of longbows out there that are fast and smooth. I guess I have shot longbows so long that I don't really perceive hand shock unless I find a bad one.

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The Whittler
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TDHunter, I agree whole heartedly with the ACS-CX 3pc. I picked one up this past spring 2nd hand and love it.

I too shot a lot of LBs and own 2, a Green Mountain, and JD Berry, which are great bows but don't compare to the ACS CX.

If your looking for a 1pc like the ACS CX 3pc, I hear the ACS in the 1pc is as good. Also BW LBs are nice.

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The ACS 1 pc is dead in the hand and no hand shock, and that is a fact.
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Never shot one but according to Blacky's tests, the Centaur Carbon Elite longbow is faster than many recurves and I hear it is pleasant in the hand too.

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I think we have fit that description...but there are certainly a few others as well. Centaur for one gets great raves in this area.

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Jim reynolds makes a fine longbow!

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quote:
Originally posted by TDHunter:

I was just hoping there were some other recurve shooters who've found that longbow that is dead in the hand. Like I said my ACS CX is just that, Fast and silent and 0 hand shock(3pc). I like to find a one piece longbow with similar characteristics.

Buy a Howard Hill Black Badger from Craig Ekin. It is not on the website or in the catalogue. He only makes them if you ask. Ultra fast, quiet, and zero hand shock. Nuff Said.

Matt

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I think someone who has an elbow problem is gonna be much more sensitive to handshock and or elbow shock than someone who does not have any issues with the elbow.

I know when I was having elbow issues bows I thought that bows that were practically shock free before the elbow problem could cause noticable pain and irritation when shot.Very little vibration will feel irritating when the bows shot.I stuck with the ones that were most pain free till I healed up.

The 3 piece bows with longbow limbs like the ACS and a few others are a good choice for reducing handshock to the bare Minimum when you have a senstive elbow.A Morrison all phenolic riser with and foam/carbon longbow limbs was very tame to me when shot.

For a one piece bow I would look at a high quality bow with a bit more mass in the riser.Possibly a longer riser and use heavy woods,diamondwood and or phenolic for the riser.Or a combnation of heavy wood and phenolic.A lightweight limb of bamboo or bamboo/carbon combined with that style riser is gonna dampen out pretty quick

I think you could further reduce some vibration by shooting a heavy arrow and using a skinnier string like an 8 strand D-10,ultra cam, or Astroflight.

A bow quiver could help ease any residual vibration as well after the arrow leaves the shelf.Possibly a heavier quiver like the selway softcote longbow quiver or the full sized Thunderhorn strap on.

Or maybe even a 2 piece TD utilizing the steel sleeve TD system which adds more physical weight than any other 2 piece system available.

Wes Wallace and Fox archery offer that TD design with a locator style grip.

My all phenolic riser Whippenstick with the steel/brass TD system is pretty much shock free and the riser is longer and heavier than most longbows.

21st century Edge is a longbow with good riser size and mass weight.

I have owned Centaurs and ACS one piece bows that were pretty dead in the hand among others.

Its really hard to tell which ones gonna fit you perfect when the elbow is inflamed or prone to be very touchy when shooting a bow.

An ACS 1 piece with a carbon riser may very well be the ticket for you from what I have heard John say about them.If he offers the carbon in the 1 piece riser,not sure though?If not maybe the heavier wood combined with phenolic in the one piece possibly?

I saw a new sponser on T-Gang Protege Longbows is offering a 24 inch riser on thier longbow that sounds interesting and may be less prone to any vibratin with the extra length and a tad more mass weight.Food for thought anyway.

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Well, my contribution to this would be that I picked up a Dry Ridge LB during the 2010 St. Judes auction. The bow was built in 2009 and has a med. grip. I also have a Black Swan hybrid, again made in 2009. The Dry Ridge is wonderful, very little hand shock with very good speed. As I promised, it'll be back on the auction next year so there's something to look forward to! I wasn't able to add mojo to it this year but it's certainly worthy.

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Thanks gents looks of great advice

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I have had the same issue (not due to elbow problems, just hate hand shock). I too shoot a chek-mate h2 and love its smoothness. I have played and borrowed several longbows, but always hated the hand shock. Now maybe they just were not tuned to their max, but all had string silencers. I bought a Horne combo hunter off the classifieds and love it. It has a larger riser that the hill style bows, but much smaller that the chek-mate. It has a skinny string and the riser is bocote, a fairly heavy wood. But it is much lighter than the recurve.

I have found it more natural feeling to shoot. It is faster and flatter shooting than either limbs for the recurve (57# with bamboo core). It is a three piece take down, but their one piece might have similar results.

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The ACS CX that I am selling has no, no handshock but I did own a heavy Hill bow that used to beat me like a rented mule. Didn't know any better until I sold it and owned another longbow. I guess experience is everything!
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i have a zipper 53@28 and a big jim thunder child 52@28 that is as smooth as ive ever shot!! the zipper is a touch faster but the big jim is a touch quiter!

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