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-------------------- Trying to make a difference Psalm 37:4 God's grace and love! Roy L "Mudd" Williams TGMM- Family Of The Bow Archery isn't something I do, it's who I am! Posts: 9833 | From: Mid-Missouri | Registered: Mar 2003
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Question on Draw weight and bow length. I have always shot shorter bows 52-60"(recurves and longbows). My first Hill was 60". I have a 26.5" draw. So I generally make complete use of limbs on these shorter bows. (they bend a lot) Questions: Do longer bows feel lighter /or are they actually easier to pull higher weights with because you are not using as much of the limb?? ( do not bend as much). How would draw weight compare/feel on 60" Hill 50#@ 26.5" vs 68" Hill 50#@26.5". They are tillered for the same draw but less limb is used on longer bow so could it actually feel lighter? I am sure I will not notice much difference from 60" to my New 62", but I am wondering???? I await the TG wisdom,7C
Posts: 238 | From: Colorado | Registered: May 2010
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Rik, Thanks for posting the pic..it is also new for me.
Howard seems to be in a much more relaxed posture here as opposed to many other pics from different angles. He is standing more upright.
My take.....he is telling us that even "his" personal form has "wiggle room" as long as the foundational things are there. The bow arm angle, grip, and anchor are consistent.
-------------------- Michigan Longbow Association Posts: 1303 | From: Michigan | Registered: Mar 2003
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great photo, I'd never seen that one either...I don't think it was in your first issue. I'll go back and look....
Your form is extremely similar to Hill's form....only you set your arm first to get into position. Now if I could only convince you to learn the swing draw....lol
Posts: 903 | From: Kimberly, Id | Registered: Feb 2004
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So what is the Hill form? I've been reading this post from the beginning. Folks seem to think his quick swing draw is it.
Look at this photo, that Rik has posted!
John Shulz's shooting is pure swing, instinctive shooting! Howard could "control" the shot as needed!
Posts: 1581 | From: mighty wabash river,in. | Registered: Aug 2008
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Great photo Mate ! I haven't seen that one before I don't think ... I'll go back and check first issue too
-------------------- " All that is gold does not glitter , not all those who wander are lost " J.R.R TOLKIEN Posts: 2552 | From: australia | Registered: Jan 2005
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Took the "Florida Night" out today . A different experience. Had to pay more attention to my form but it shot wonderfully. Absolutely dead in the hand - no hand shock whatsoever (so long as I shot low wrist & placed the grip on my lifeline). It is also the quietest bow I own. Very good cast and smooth. My POC 40-45 lbs shoot well. However, I do have a confession... the snake skins are actually wraps from OneStringer; the leather grip was ordered from 3 Rivers. But I am very pleased with the bow and the price was certainly right. Now I am looking forward to getting my Cumberland from Marty at Apex Predator.
-------------------- IMO SGT. Bradley S. Crose, USA, 1/75 Lest we Forget. Posts: 180 | From: Fleming Island, FL | Registered: Jan 2005
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Anyone notice how beautiful Howard's bow looks in that last photo? I'll bet it's in a draw weight just perfect for me. Wonder where it is now?
Posts: 600 | From: Horseshoe Bend, Idaho | Registered: Nov 2003
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If I am de-cyphering that photograph correctly, Howard's lower finger is just floating on the string, not really holding any weight once it gets to full draw.
I've done that my whole life, placing about 97 percent of the bow weight on two fingers once I am at full draw. I start my draw with 33.3 percent on each finger, but at full draw, my lower finger is there only for looks.
Until just now, I thought I was the only one who basically shoots with two fingers.
Nate, any insights? Is it just the angle of the photograph? Am I crazy? (Don't answer that last question---you may cause others to laugh out loud,and this is a SERIOUS forum).
Posts: 600 | From: Horseshoe Bend, Idaho | Registered: Nov 2003
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I was looking at that, too. Recently, I have been talking with Nate about my ring finger pressure and have taken to shooting like you describe. I have had problems unrelated to archery with my tendons in my string hand. I saw a specialist in Boise about the symptoms a few years ago. He told me what to do about shortening and thickening tendons - hand stretches. What I notice is that I don't open my pinky with the other three fingers and plucking ensued. Now, I see the ring finger getting slow. Guess it "go time" for the stretching. Anyway, "floating" the ring finger has helped with my release and where the arrow hits. I have joined the crazy club with you!
Ray
-------------------- Sunset Hill 64" 54# @ 26" "Destiny"
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I have a photo around here somewhere of Hill really loading the string with the ring finger, but most are balanced like the one here. I would bet that there is more pressure on that ring finger than the picture suggests. Hill said the ring finger is the trigger finger. I take that to mean it is the first one to let go. I can say that if one shoots with a real strong ring finger, it will affect your nocking point setting. On this in the first little bit one can see that ring finger go first. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFqjNKC72dA&feature=relatedPosts: 2559 | From: Iowa | Registered: Oct 2009
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for me, the third (ring) finger goes along for the ride and the majority of the load is on the middle finger. in essence, this emulates a release aid, for best consistency of release. most serious target archers use that string grip, and it's just fine for hunters as well. the flemish two finger grip/release does the same thing without the pretense of using the ring finger.
-------------------- "Molon Labe" (Come and Get Them) ~ Instinctive Archer Magazine ~ TGMM Family of the Bow ~ NRA Life Member Posts: 8858 | From: NJ | Registered: Mar 2003
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I must do about the same thing, my middle and index finger were the ones getting wore out when I was shooting the 90 pounders, while the ring finger stayed healthy. It is the one thing I do not have worked out completely naturally when i shoot left handed, slows me up a little.
Posts: 2559 | From: Iowa | Registered: Oct 2009
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Thanks, Mudd.![[thumbsup]](graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
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. A different experience. Had to pay more attention to my form but it shot wonderfully. Absolutely dead in the hand ![[biglaugh]](graemlins/xxc_laugh.gif)
Now I am looking forward to getting my Cumberland from Marty at Apex Predator.![[Smile]](smile.gif)
