quote:Originally posted by Mudd: I also didn't know I wasn't supposed to cant my bow shooting 3 under so I'm still shooting it exactly the same as before, canted.
I've never heard that you shouldn't cant when shooting three under. I shoot three under and cant the bow as I always have. Why shouldn't the shooter cant the bow using this technique? How does it affect release and arrow flight? You've got me curious Mudd. Great shooting by the way. Keep it up.
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quote:Originally posted by sunset hill: That's what we like to see! pretty bows and backquivers full of arrows ready for hunting!
great lookin' bow Eric...shoot it with pride. and the quiver looks good too...
Well, I was tinkering this weekend because I haven't been super happy with my arrow flight lately. The arrows haven't been flying exactly where I've been looking, but off the the right a little...like being underspined. I was shooting 70-74#, cutting 1" off so they were 75-79# with 150 gr heads. but I've been shooting with fastflight lately and I like the feel, but something hasn't been right. sooo......
Off came the fastflite, on went the b-50 and lighter Zwickey's on the front end of a 75-79# cut down 1" to 80-84# spine.....result? deadly accuracy right where I'm looking out to 45 yards (I'll test them farther later) I guess I've made things too complicated (and I like simplicity) so now...look out animals! deadeye dick is back!
SOOOOOOOOOOO, since you upped the shaft spine to 75-79 did you try them with the fastflite string? Or, did you try the lighter Zwickey heads on those 70-74's?
Of course for all those 70-74's you have stockpiled you could always drop 5# in bow weight with the next one you build for yourself. Afterall, how much farther into the dirt do you want the broadhead to go?
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Yours for better bowhunting, Kelly Posts: 1179 | From: Blue Grass, Iowa/Prentice, Wisconsin | Registered: Oct 2003
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Nate, and your opinion on thick FF 24 strand strings in substition of your old b50 18 strand strings? and guys what about new b55? Maker saya it is very low stretch?
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quote:Originally posted by San Paolo: ... and guys what about new b55? Maker saya it is very low stretch?
NO, b55 is NOT LOW STRETCH. it's dacron (polyester) and very slightly larger in diameter than b50 or b500. dacron = stretch and creep, period.
hmpe polyethylene is the only way to go with bowstrings, world's better than polyester. it would be like comparing dacron to linen. hmpe is CONSISTENT, with far less stretch and creep than dacron and that IS the PRIME reason for using it, not faster arrow speeds. there are no disadvantages with hmpe as long as yer bow is well built, limb tips and riser. there are no noise issues, either, if the string is well made. keep the strand count low and in proportion to the bow's holding weight. at 100+# per averages hmpe strand, 8 strands will be waaaay more than 10x the bows needs.
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Kelly, you can't never have enough shafts...I got pine, of course, and alot of good old cedar. My buddy got a box of about 700 shafts at a yard sale for 25.00...the old 23/64 cedar...good stuff most are spining out around 75 - 79#, a few are around 67 - 72# which will work for him.....what a mother-lode!!
I tried the Zwickeys w/ the fastflight first, cuz I really like the feel, but arrows shot about 12" right at 40 yards and about 6 - 8" right at 10 - 15 yards, shooting in the dark. My eye is used to a certain arrow flight, so I'm staying with the stiffer shafts now, and the b50...and then when I get old, I'll have alot of lighter shafts for my 55 - 60# bows that I know I'll be shooting....
San Paulo...I really like 24 strand fast flight....it shoots real well and quiet....I know it's massive overkill, but I don't have the vibration feel that I did with skinny strings...because I detest string silencers on a straight limb longbow.
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quote:Originally posted by San Paolo: Guys, dacron is 4% stretch, .018 diameter FF or similar are 2% stretch, .015 diameter B55 ????, ???? Thanks for answering.
where did you get that data?
that's a very broad generalization. for the most part, i digitally mic b50/b500 at an average of .017", the same for dynaflight'97. i mic'd b55 at an average of .018" diameter - a bit thicker and just a rubber band stretchy as b50/b500. there are LOTS of other hmpe fibers with very different diameters - formula8125 is very thin compared to df'97 and 450+ is much fatter than df'97. as to the stretch/creep, there is no contest with hmpe versus dacron.
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To continue from my earlier post, I have a few photos. There is a longbow in one of them! Nate had his camera out a few times, too. He has a photo of a graying, goofy looking guy in one of his shots
From where we parked the truck, we had made the climb up the steep part to the start of the first bench and that is where we stopped for a water break and glass the rim a bit.
This photo is where the rimrock started - taken above Nate's hat in the previous photo. Still a ways up to that edge.
This photo is looking over the bushes we were behind at the water break. Lots of terrain that you can't see from here, that could be holding deer. There are gullies, rock gardens, buckbrush patches, fields of sage, etc. Nate hunted up by the rim and I wandered about through the more open middle, checking out the hidey spots through there. Nate found an area with a lot of beds but alas, all were empty.
We climbed up to the next bench over the rim and eventually made our way around the top as dark fell. It was a good outing with critters mentioned in my previous post. I need to get a small camera for my pack - these were taken on my cell phone and lack some quality. Good memories with a great friend, nonetheless!
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Picked up a dandy older "Big Five" and a Howard Hill back quiver tonight for $260. Heck of a deal.
This is my first Kramer built Hill serial # BK70164. It has quite a bit of backset, a very unique dished grip, and that classic old brown glass. 70", 60# @ 30". Real nice shooting bow.
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I remember quite some pages ago where Nate ask for some hunting stories that contained Hill style longbows etc. Well a few days later I went hunting approx twelve hours west of my home to a place in Western Queensland called Cunnamulla. I was hunting with three mates, Craig and Keith who were also using hill style longbows and Rod who was using what I call a semi-recurve. I will give a brief account of how the hunt went and let the photos help tell the story.
We were hunting private property that I have had access to for around twenty years. We were hunting feral pigs, goats and a fox, cat or rabbit if we come across any.
Things were rather dry out west this year as to date they had only received five inches of rain which meant any game should be more concentrated near water than was the case on our previous trip around the same time last year. This proved to be the case and the pigs were generally in pretty poor condition to.
The first morning Keith and I spotted a small mob of goats that had come to water. I slipped in close to the trough and as the goats left I got a twelve yard shot at a young billy for meat; I saw the nock bury right where I was looking and the billy was down in approx twenty yards. When we got to the billy we could see he was in very poor condition with his hind quarters being skin and bone - so no meat from him.
Craig and Rod had gone for a thee mile plus walk and Craig was successful in shooting a young billy for meat. The meat would be for our evening meal to celebrate Rod’s birthday in a few days time.
A photo Rod took along the way.
The young meat billy and Craig carrying out the meat.
Later that first day found us down at an area where there is a bore drain and a swampy area where there are usually some pigs. There were quite a few goats watering in this area as well so we decided to walk in a loop and hopefully get Keith in on one. We were only ten minutes or so from the Land Cruiser when we spotted a mob making their way through the scrub. We quickly made our way to a patch of brush for an ambush and it wasn’t long and Keith (who was five yards in front of me) had goats feeding past him at sixteen yards. He wasn’t shooting so I gave him a bit of prompting and I saw his bow come up as he reached full draw. I think you could say he was pretty nervous as his bow arm and body was shaking profusely but the arra was finally on its way and he soon had a big old nanny on the deck. To say he was stoked would be an understatement as it had been quite a few years since he was last out hunting and this was his very first kill with a bow he had made himself - congrats mate!!!
As we neared the water we could see plenty of pigs out in the open feeding but they weren’t the ones we were after as there was no way to get near them. The head of the bore drain
We slowly made our way along in the taller grass beside the water course. I soon spotted a couple of lone pigs feeding in front of us about fifty yards apart. I thought they would be boars so I stalked in on the first. As I moved in there were a couple of smaller pigs on my right that I had to sneak past but thankfully I made it past them unnoticed. With the help of a small bush I closed the distance to my intended target to approx seven yards. I waited and when the pig turned to quartering away I sent a 190 Ribbie (Ribtek) through it. It exploded and ran about thirty five yards and piled up in some brush beside the water. As it turned out it was a good sized sow.
To be continued.....
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Thanks Mudd. I had a bit of trouble with the photos but got it sorted.
Continued........ I went over to photograph my pig and told Keith to have a go at the next pig as it was still there feeding. It was a good boar but just as Keith was getting in for the shot he spooked an unseen slip (a young pig) which was feeding close by and the boar took off to safer places. After taking photos of my pig I met up with the other boys who were gathered around a good boar and Craig’s face had a beaming smile.
Craig and Rod had come across a few pigs out feeding so Craig went in for a stalk. He got into approx tens yards before taking a shot. When hit the boar exploded and ran about hundred yards and was down. It was a good boar indeed and it was Craig’s very first pig. We were all so happy for him an we set up and took a heap of photos and then removed the jaw.
Craig getting in closer to his boar Closer Taking the shot The beaming smile says it all!!!
To be continued.....
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The next day we hunted different areas and managed to flush some pigs that were bedded but the only thing that got a hole in it that day was the front left tyre on the Cruiser. I couldn’t plug it as the hole was in the sidewall so we headed back to the homestead and we soon had the tyre off, a sleeve glued in place and we were ready for action again.
The following day we split up and spent the morning checking out a couple of watering points. Keith and Craig had some goats come into the water and Keith was successful in getting another nanny. Rod and I got some photos of goats and birds. Some goats coming into water At the trough
That afternoon we headed for the bore drain again. Rod and I did a loop which brought us up on the far side of the bore drain while the other fellas stuck to the nearest side. We could immediately see pigs out in the open feeding again and as we entered an area with taller grass and weeds Rod spotted a couple of good sized black shapes and I said go gett’em. I watched from a higher vantage point and saw Rod draw and release and then saw a pig run about twenty five metres before getting the wobbly boot.
I went down to Rod and as he was standing there he saw another good sized pig in the grass to his right so he stuck a Ribbie through it as well. It was a boar and he also only went about twenty five metres where - while probably not needed - a quick follow up shot had the pig down. The pig rolled into a drain but me Ol’ Mate Rod wasn’t too keen on gettin’ too close to that boar just yet but it was sinking so I managed to reach out and grab an arra that was sticking out and haul it up onto the bank. The things we do for mates.
It was hand shakes for my Ol’ Mate and he even cracked a big smile a time or two. During this Rod remembered the sow and wondered where she dropped; I looked right behind me and she was laying a couple of metres away. It was a couple of happy Bowhunters and we set up for some photos and removed the jaw.
I will put this photo in of Rod with his sow and boar taken with his semi-recurve but since it isn't a Hill style bow if the mods wish to remove please do so.
I had a number of stalks in the more open area and in the dry weedy stuff but nearly every time at about twenty yards or so I got busted. It was getting late when we met up with the other fellas and they didn’t have any success on the pigs but Keith managed to drop a young billy so we grabbed some photos of it and headed back to the Cruiser.
To be continued.........
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Continued........ The next afternoon saw us chasing pigs again down where we staked the tyre a couple of days before. We were soon onto some and sent Keith in to try and get one. He got in on one and muffed the shot but there were more further over.
Keith stalking in on a pig
We set Keith up in a patch of fallen tress and brush and watched as a couple of pigs fed right past him with one under ten yards. We saw him draw back and then heard the sound of wood on wood as the arra deflected off an unseen twig - very disappointing.
There were more pigs further over and a couple seemed to be feeding and taking the same path as the previous ones so Craig stayed with Keith while Rod and I watched proceedings from further behind. One pig fed into about twelve yards but only presented its rear end so no shot could be taken.
You can just see the back of the pig in the upper left under the big log.
The pigs fed out into the open and Rod decided to have a go at them and made it to just on twenty metres and took a shot but missed. The wander back to the car via a water course was uneventful.
Rod taking the shot
The sun getting low
To be continued.....
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