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'Nuther random question. Does anyone know if the Hill-style longbow that John Schultz uses in the video, "Hitting'em Like Howard Hill" was backset, straight, or string follow? It seems like the more I study that video, the more interested I am getting in the specifics of that bow....
Thanks, Bob
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I believe it was reflexed...he made the video in '87 and started strringfollows glass bows in '88 or '89 with the "Favorite"
Look at the length of the bow in relation to his height...Schulz was not tall...that bow was only 64" long built in accordance with his short draw of 26" front of blunt. Tom's bow is also built to match his short draw....short.
Si why do 68" - 70" bows sell to guys with 26-27" actual shooting draw lenghts?
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quote:Si why do 68" - 70" bows sell to guys with 26-27" actual shooting draw lenghts?
Nate, I wonder the same thing....they hardly even bending the limbs.
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I have always heard Hill's advice of the "last digit of draw length becomes the last digit of bow length" as "Optimal". Was this advice outdated with newer materials and designs?
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I pull a true 30 now (i have pics that prove it ) and shoot a 69" trophy hunter. Perfect match.
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A 66"r has lighter limbs, bent more for faster recovery which means speed...but lighter wandish limbs are also stable. Long does not always mean stable.
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I used to shoot 66" Hill style bows and have a 26 -26.5" draw. When I started shooting 68", I loved the way the string felt, and they smoothed out considerably on the draw too. Steve at Northern Mist just adjusts the tapers to your draw length. I have a couple 66" bows, but different designs like Miller SF or reverse handle. I think I am sensitive to finger pinch and any stacking. I don't shoot heavy bows, 40-50#. It's not that I don't like the 66" backset Hill style, but just prefer and shoot the longer ones more comfortably.
Make sense?
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Hill shortened his bows when glass became the standard. But he had big hands..big handles and that factors into the length of the bow too...not just draw
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I've done some chrono testing, and I can't figure out what all the fuss is about. Basically messing with draw lengths of +/- and inch and playing with bow length does nothing more than add or subtract a few fps. Its kind of negligible in my opinion. I would rather hit the spot than beat myself up over the small stuff. I could just shoot a recurve or a R/D bow if I wanted to squeeze every last bit of velocity out of an arrow.
From a bowyer point of view, or a true expert shooter, these things may be of more importance I would guess and maybe worth pursuing. I have noticed some Hill style bows of various builders outperform others, but all the good ones are pretty darn close. I haven't shot them all by any means. Part of the beauty of longbows is that the limbs aren't moving like a curve, and so small changes in draw length don't mean much for arrow flight variability. That said, if I could shoot a 5# lighter bow with the same arrow energy because the design was excellent and fit was good, I'd go for it!
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I have a small hand, but I just finished modifying my second Wesley Special. I am committed to mastering the straight grip, (for reasons I am at a complete loss to explain), and I am discovering that the skinny, deep, wedge-shaped grip is, for me, more repeatable than any other, even if the tip of my thumb ends up a half-inch from the rest of my fingertips. Do I have to start worrying about the onset of early dementia, or am I on to something?
I am 66.5" tall, have a 26" draw, and have a pair of 66" Wesleys, (one back set, one string follow)--and doggone it, the Widow, the Jack Howard, the Bighorn, and the ILF rigs are staying on the pegs until I put a big game animal on the ground with a Hill bow! (The Owlmagnet has spoken....)
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quote:Originally posted by Owlmagnet: 'Nuther random question. Does anyone know if the Hill-style longbow that John Schultz uses in the video, "Hitting'em Like Howard Hill" was backset, straight, or string follow? It seems like the more I study that video, the more interested I am getting in the specifics of that bow....
Thanks, Bob
According to David Miller it was a reflexed/backset Trophy Hunter 64", 64#@26", 14" riser, called "Old Tom". If I remember right.
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Hand size is important...both for handle size and finger pinch...it all adds up.
Concerning speed....lighter limbs bent into a tighter arc will recover faster and have less shock because the limb is more efficient....and less physical weight (limb) is moving more mass weight(arrow). All this means that you can shoot a heavier arrow quicker. I think we all would take that option if given the choice. If you could shoot an arrow of 9-10 gpi as fast as an arrow of 7-8 gpi with more stability why wouldn't you?
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I would Nate! but where do you sign up to get a bow made exactly at the ideal specs for the shooter without a major effort? Not many bowyers are willing or have/take the time to design each bow that way. How many know how? I have read where Pavan, I think, will take a longbow and alter it to shoot a given arrow with the same velocity at a ligher draw weight. That's awesome, but where would I start without ruining bows? Do tell! BTW: I would love to shoot one of your bows!
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