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I find the longer, leaner heads tend to fly exceptionally well too.

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Adam Keiper
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The shallower the blade angle, the better cutting capability a blade has. Beyond 3:1 though, the blade tip becomes too delicate and starts to become prone to bending or folding. So 3:1 has long been deemed optimum. Long enough for great cutting/penetrating qualities, yet short enough to remain very rugged.
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The next question would be if the 3:1 ratio is agreed to be superior why are there so few 3:1 two blades on the market? I recently switched to the 175 grain Simmons Tiger Shark. I think the concave cutting design was also preferred by Mr. Hill and changes the game again.
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There are a couple reasons you don't see more 3:1 ratio broadheads.

Some states have a legal limit of 1" for broadhead width.If it were 3:1,it would be 3" long.That doesn't fit many bow quiver hoods and many people want a wider broadhead.

Make the broadhead 1 1/4" wide and you now have a broadhead 3 3/4" long and a lot heavier than many people like.

For decades 125 gr broadheads were the accepted norm and many people still prefer that.Making a 3:1 broadhead that will meet most states minimum width requirements even after sharpening,and keeping a decent blade thickness for strength,means heavier heads.Some like that.Many don't.

Even the Ashby heads and Grizzly El Grandes aren't 3:1 ratio.

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There was a broadhead at Compton's called the Tuffhead. 225 grain glue on that was long, lean, and mean. Vendor was Vintage Archery from Charleston, Il. Great looking head.

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In regards to the lack of longer broadheads, one has to remember that back in the day, almost all broadheads were glue ons that had to have the taper of the shaft glued into it. Nowadays with the screw ins the ferrule of the broadhead can be as short as they want them as the attaching system is screwed into the shaft.

As a kid, we were always taught the 3 to 1 rule. Although I personally think that the 3 to 1 ratio that Hill professed was more for flight characteristics than cutting ability. The curvature of the blade in a hill head is not in any fashion a true 3 to 1 angle. The over all ratio of the heads profile is there but with the convex and concave curves of the blade cover almost any angle you want. JMHO

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OWLBAIT, That was Joe Furlong(sp,sorry Joe). And yes it is a very tuff looking head. I will wager that we will see alot of this head in the future. many good features.single beval,tanto tip,stainless steel and some more that you have to see to understand(at least I did).

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Thanks Chuck, I knew it was Joe, just didn't remember last name. Great looking head. Too heavy for my equipment I think. He also had the bowtote sling that was a topic of discussion here not long ago. Nice guy too!

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There was in fact a study done in the mid 80s ( as I recall ) it was published in one of the BIg Mags at the time .
Jist of the article was that the broad- head either CHOPS or SLICES The ideal between both of these extremes seems to be 3to 1 the more you CHOP ( wider head ) the less penetration you get and start losing flight aerodynamics . The more you reduce width you gain penetration and it flies well but then you start missing arteries and veins and organs by just puncturing the animal hunted . SO three to one seemed to be the best compromise BUT as stated here HILL said it first and he had the back up experience.

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I bought couple of packs of those Tuff heads from Joe this weekend. I'm going to experiment with them some and they will probably be the head of choice for our Australian Buff hunt next year.The Ashby head was a contender, but after talking to Joe on his manufacturing process I'm certain his head is better steel and stronger than the Made in China version.

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I have not seen the new heads yet but they are on the way. I did some testing with the prototype and did not find them lacking. Joe has kept me in the loop with most of the difficulties of manufacturing. I doubt whether many of the other broadheads can keep up too these standards.I'm sure they will work just fine on Australian Buff's.
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Who wants to shoot (excluding moose, brown bear, and griz) a broadhead that's one inch wide? And for what reason? Today we have 40 pound bows that can cut two holes in any whitetail made.

There are very few 3 to 1 BH's out there. WW is not one, unless you want to be political about the term 3 to 1.

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Many heads that are advertised as 3:1 ratio are not. Measure them and see. A true 3:1 is going to be a long head to get a decent cutting width. That is why there are so few on the market although some try to advertise their heads are 3:1 when not. Ed Ashby look at broadhead length/width ratio and how it affected penetration in some of his earlier studies.

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3 to 1 might give you a great cutting angle, but it also gives you a very long head that's not only more susceptible to bending or folding, but also puts a ton more leverage against the ferrule on a hit.

You have to overbuild a 3 to 1 head to get good durability.

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Well to those that think this is just advertising,this the prototype is just over 1" wide and 3 1/8" long.I do hunt elk ,moose ,deer and turkey. I like the idea of a 3 to 1 head not so much when everything goes right but when the don't. I know this is not for everyone but it is for me. This head is tuff just like the name suggests. Abe

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