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Got a jack wagon that bought a house on ten acres he.s got a pond a ten acres of lawn and a bait pile next to my family.s land( we boarderthe north and west side ) should we give him the right to get a deer if it doesent die on his lawn??? his bait pile was illegal also last yr here in mi.
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It's pretty sad so many people have been denied. I agree that prior permission is definitely the way to go, but circumstances change and every contingency can't be thought of.
I just started shooting trad (and archery in general) about five months ago. While I would love to get out October 1st for the opener I know it wouldn't be fair to the animal and I don't have enough confidence or skill.
I was just thinking on that as my stepfather-in-law is on a family farm, but doesnt get along with any of his neighbors. And when I do get the chance to join you all in the woods I want to do things correctly and ethically.
Pat
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I know a young man, several years ago he killed a real nice buck and went back to get his dad to help drag the deer out and when they got back 2 other hunters had his deer and would not let him have it. The boy told his dad to let it go and they went and got the game warden. When the hunters got back to the vehicle with his deer he thanked them for dragging it out. They said "what do you mean its your deer"? The boy reached way back in the deers ear and pulled his field tag out. Ironic isn't it?
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Great points SteveB and R. Fletcher. That makes a big difference. Often I think people doing the right thing pay for all those that came before you, who didn’t do the right thing.
I once shot a buck on our property and went to get it off our property. I had hunting access to the property the deer went on. The property owner didn’t live on the property most of the year and didn’t hunt. It was my first buck. One of the guys hunting there flesh wounded it with a rifle after it had already gone down once and was trying to get fully back on it’s feet. This was a non rifle hunting area. I had hit it with a high double lung shot. I got to the deer and was going to tag it. I had heard a shot a long way off, but didn’t know they were shooting at my deer. I got run off by five grown men. I was just a kid. I got a DNR officer and they paid big given some had rifles, untagged deer and so on.
We used to know all our neighbors. Never had an issue with them. Everyone respected each other and did the right things. But we used to get trespassers that would park on the road and come in our farm or cut across other farms to get into parts of ours. They always had the same story. “We shot a deer and are just tracking it.” I will bet we threw off 2-3 people a year over the years I grew up there, and never once did they ever have a blood trail. Most times they were not even close to or walking a track. Looking for a deer you shot is the standard excuse to get away with trespassing when caught were you don’t belong. I think once in all the years I can recall, I had a guy say he got lost and wasn’t’ sure where he was. He had come out of the swamp and looked a little confused. He was really happy to get headed in the right direction. He was a real good actor or honest.
Then things changed with some property sales and splits. We get line hunters all the time now. Hanging stands on trees right on the fence and shooting over the line. Even had one guy put a blind with the only window in the blind facing us and 6’ off the fence. I tell them all that they will not come on unless they call for access and then show me a blood trail coming off their land or some evidence of a hit where they should be hunting. I hate to be difficult, but it gets old year after year putting up with people. I did get one good laugh out of these fence hunters the year the sun came up on opening day of gun season, and I had a guy and his son setting a few hundred yards from me right in plain view of me. They were max. 20 yd. off the fence and setting in tree stands facing me. I thing they were hunting a clearing in our pine screen we planted along our property line. The trees were not so tall yet you couldn’t see the deer in the pines, and the deer traveled in there all the time. I watched a nice buck go right behind them on a little hill in an open area of the land they were on. It circles onto our land. By time they saw the buck it was well over the property line and headed my way. They didn’t plan on me being where I was and being able to watch everything they were doing. I shot that buck with my muzzle loader while they watched. Then a little later four does came right down the pines and turned and came my way. I shot the largest doe I have ever seen out of that group. All while they watched. They got down and left. The next day the stands were moved.
Last year hunting a little parcel near my town I had two guys wondering all over the woods one morning. One saw me and they took off. No hunting cloths or bows so I thought they were scouting for gun season or something. A couple hours later they showed up again with four more people and tromped all over the place on the adjacent property, which is property only I have permission to hunt. By then I figured they were looking for a deer, but I had only seen one spike that morning and he looked fine. Didn’t even see anything wrong when he came past at about 25 yd. One of the new guys said he was on blood and sure enough he traced that spike. The buck had wondered around feeding, checking a scrape and just messing around. He bedded about 50 yd. from me. Even with one guy on a trail the rest wondered all over stinking up all the cover. When they got to me, I found out they had shot it about 250 yd. away and had already trespassed on two other properties to get to me. They didn’t ask permission to enter, didn’t offer any apology for ending my hunt, and ignored my request to follow the tracker and not wonder all over my beading area. I had seen the buck jump up when they got within 75 yd. of it. He ran out through a clearing onto another property through an open field and looked to be circling back to where he had been when shot. I asked them to follow an old logging trail the buck had used and stay out of the cover, but they ignored me. Knowing they had shot a deer where they belonged and were on blood I bit my tongue and let them go of on their way, but next time I don’t think I will be so cooperative given their complete lack of respect for another hunter or other property owners.
The year before last I shot a nice doe the first weekend of bow season. It ran onto a property I have had permission to hunt for 40 years, but due to the number of the owner’s family hunting the land, I have not hunted there for the last 10 or so years. I have not seen the owner, who is now about 80, in a couple years. I still called him, but didn’t reach him. I then drove over to find him in his barn to make double sure it was still alright to go looking. He laughed at me asking. We talked and caught up a little. Funny thing was he didn’t even recognize me when I drove up because I had a beard and different truck. Sure he thought it was funny I would think I needed to ask him, but I bet it wouldn’t have started off so funny if he caught a guy he didn’t recognized on his land.
So next time you have an issue with someone not letting you on their land, just figure it is not you, but those who messed up in the past. Like SteveB and R. Fletcher said, talk to the property owners before you have an issue, stay off the line, and go ask if you need access. If someone comes to me before the season, tells me they will be hunting next door, will stay off the line, and will call if they need to come looking, they will likely get “just come on over for your deer if you need to and don’t bother calling.”
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No, I have not actually had it happen to me.
Did arrow a buck that crossed onto another land owner's property of which I had been unable to gain permission to hunt...knocked on his door and explained the dilemma and he immediately went with me on an hour search at night to find the buck. He then went walked ~1/4" mi back to the barn to retrieve the mule. Must have taken a couple of hours in all. He was cordial, generous, quite helpful and great company the whole time.
I was still never able to secure permission after sending him a thank you letter and then sending him correspondences thru out the next year in hope of hunting there the following season. The effort was well worth it since I retrieved my buck and made a genuine friend.
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Cowpie, I have had the almost exact scenario you described. There is state land behind my neighbors land that borders mine.
He shot a deer that ended up on my land. If I did not let him retrieve the deer he would have to drag the deer about three quarters of a mile through the swamp to get it out.
Altho it ruined my hunting in that section and it was the last day of the season, I think it was the right thing to do. You reap what you sow. Who knows what favor I may need down the road?
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"Ain't no rock going to take my place". Luke 19:40 Posts: 466 | From: North Dakota | Registered: Feb 2008
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I have never had this happen, but i can tell you for a fact, that permision or not, i WOULD get my deer. Leaving it to rot is most definatley the bigger sin in my eyes.
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I've been told no...twice. By to separate people. Not much you can do.
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Thankfully I've not come across a situation where I needed to ask permission yet. A couple of times I had to cross property boundaries but had a relationship with the owners which allowed me to do so. I have had hunters cross onto my property looking for a deer without first asking permission and they were highly suspect, and much unappreciated. For the life of me though, I can't understand not giving permission to a guy that asks. Like was mentioned previously, I've had my share of fence hunters but thankfully I haven't had them shoot anything (at least that I'm aware of) ... but I will go WAY out of my way to make sure a fence hunter is dissatisfied with his choice of stand location. I figure I would do what my grandad did once - retrieve it for them and allow them to pick it up at my house - where a 1st class scolding will be waiting.
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I have a good relationship with the flks surrounding the small tract of private land I can hunt. On the Public land I hunt I usually go deep and it had never been an issue. The biggest problem around my house here is the fellas hunting gobbling turkeys on my side of the line.RC
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KANSAS: Trespassing is permitted by licensed hunters in order to pursue a wounded game bird or animal, except that if the owner of the land instructs the hunter to leave, the hunter must leave immediately. Any person who fails to leave such land when instructed is subject to the provisions of the criminal trespass law.
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quote:Originally posted by stevewills: in indiana you cannot tresspass to retrieve game,if they so no sorry about you luck.if i catch someone tresspassing to retrieve a deer off to jail they go,but if they would make a 2 min.call id be glad to go back and help
Well, people don't go to jail for trespassing most of the time for the 1st instance.
In my state, Arkansas, you're not trespassing unless the trees are painted purple(posting) or there are signs posted around the perimeter. So, you're not trespassing until you're asked to leave and refuse if you cross over the property line where it's unmarked. If it's clearly marked then you're trespassing, but they aren't going to take you to jail for it for doing it once.
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quote:Originally posted by huskyarcher: I have never had this happen, but i can tell you for a fact, that permision or not, i WOULD get my deer. Leaving it to rot is most definatley the bigger sin in my eyes.
Exactly. Give me a ticket, cuss at me, I don't care. I'm getting my deer and I ALWAYS carry protection with me.
I won't let anyone tell me I can't claim my deer.
Wanton waste is illegal in Arkansas and I'm not going to let a deer sit out there and rot. I know it won't be entirely wasted because the fauna will consume it, but I'm going to get my deer.
Fortunately our main neighbor is the USDA National Forest. So, no permission required. The others are guys that own the land and don't really ever show up. They MIGHT hunt the property once every four years, but it's just wooded property. Our neighbors on the other side of the river are ranchers and aren't a problem.
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