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quote:Originally posted by Kenny New: The arrow and point combination that I am getting the best flight and grouping with is a little lighter than most often recommended. Should I really be concerned about damaging my bow or penetration on deer?
answer: probably
Posts: 397 | From: Linn County, Iowa | Registered: Mar 2005
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I think you should be concerned about penetrating deer and bow/personal safety. Do you have extra shaft length you can cut back an inch or so and add 100 grains tip weight?
Remember...a light weight object may start moving real fast but it will also come to a stop real fast also (think bone hit or angled shots).
Good luck.
Posts: 1732 | From: montana | Registered: Jan 2004
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i think that in the long run, answers like "maybe" and "probably" are good enuf reasons to go with heavier arrows and change those iffy answers to a positive, irrefutable "no problem!"
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I just picked up my meat from a whitetail doe I shot last week. The butcher asked me "what the heck are you shooting?" I knew I had hit the doe high, but what I thought was a "zing" high in the ribs was a shot that had passed through the spine itself. I'm the only bowhunter using a recurve and wood arrows in his clientele. Not a shot I would recommend, but a Stos on the front of a 630 gr arrow (11.2 gpp) went through the side of the spine in a vertebre and then another 4" down into the lung. I couldn't pull the broadhead in through when dressing the deer so I snapped off the head inside the chest. Now I know why it was truly stuck! He had sawed out the vertebre with 4" of d.fir shaft through it and I left it with him to put in his "museum" to show mechanical shooters what a broadhead does.
It collapsed, obviously, but because her head was still up I put a second arrow into the chest. My policy is to keep shooting as long as a shot is offerred and the head is up.
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Bear Kodiak & Kodiak Hunter, Dick Palmer Hunter (L/B), Ben Pearson Hunter, Wing Presentation II & 3 Red Wing Hunters (LH & 2 RH), Browning Explorer & Cobra II, Martin/Howatt Dream Catcher (wood arrows for all) Posts: 2817 | From: Upstate NY | Registered: May 2003
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I'm guessing your arrows are full length (or close to it). I shoot 35/55's out of bows of similar weight; I have a 29" draw and with the arrows cut to 29.5 I can load 250 to 285 on front depending on the bow.
410gr. is too light on a hunting arrow for me. Cut your arrows a bit (if you can) and you can jack up the point weight.
Posts: 791 | From: Raleigh, NC | Registered: Aug 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Mr.Magoo: ... 410gr. is too light on a hunting arrow for me. Cut your arrows a bit (if you can) and you can jack up the point weight.
or, imho, better yet add more up-front weight via a brass insert and/or a heavier steel adapter. that puts the arrow weight where it will do the most good.
i'm not at all fond of using arrows that are far longer than they need be. i'd rather find the right shaft spine at my preferred arrow length (29.5") and then work out the arrow's mass weight via point weights.
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Shooting lighter weight arrows than the bowyer recommends isn't a good choice. it's really hard on your bow. as you go up in arrow weight more of the bows stored energy goes into the arrow shaft instead of back into the limbs.
often times you'll find you are getting better all around performance in hunting conditions out of your bow with a bit heavier arrow..... I'm not talking just arrow flight or speed....
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The one problem I might see would be too light for the stress on bow.
-------------------- Black Widow PSAX RH 58" 53#@28 Black Widow PSAX RH 58" 47#@28 Big Jim Buffalo LH 62" 48#@28 W.Va. Bowhunters Association life member Pope and Young associate member Posts: 698 | From: West Virginia | Registered: Sep 2008
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Ultimately, I would go with the bowyer's suggestion regarding arrow weight. Aside from that purpose, grains per pound is completely irrelevant to me. People at times get hung up on that ratio, which is how we end up with discussions about how a 500-grain arrow is lethal out of a 50# bow (10 gpp) but somehow is questionable out of a 60# bow (8 gpp). It defies logic, and yet we hear it all the time.
With respect to your setup, a 410-grain arrow flying well out of a 54# bow is hardly on the lower end for whitetails. If the bowyers says the bow will handle it, I wouldn't give it a second thought.
Posts: 3746 | From: Northeast Illinois | Registered: Mar 2003
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The 10 gpp so called guideline, in my opinion, for hunting deer sized and smaller game is almost guaranteed to come up in some fashion or referral in these types of threads. There is little to no basis for applying it so general across the wide hunting draw wt ranges. The 10 gpp guide line does have its general application for the bow itself’s and the user ‘s protection and that too may be design dependent.
Possibly 90% of these quite frequent inquiries for ‘Do I have enough?’ , could be easily resolved by adopting and establishing a new guideline similar to: For deer sized animals: 40…………15 gpp……….600 g 45…………13 gpp……….585 g 50…………11 gpp……….550 g 55#’s…….10gpp………..550 g 60#’s……..9+ gpp……...540+ 65#’s……..+9 gpp……….585+
While this guideline is not near absolute, the adoption of a similar guide line would benefit the users, the bow and especially the game we pursue. No need to defend your position, if you choose otherwise since the final arrow wt is in part your personal choice. A new proposed guideline should position us well w/I an assuring safe zone.
We have the power and right to set a new constructive precedent.
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My Lands… Are Where My Dead Lie Buried.......Crazy Horse Posts: 3965 | From: Hanson, KY | Registered: Apr 2008
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I'd check with Bob Lee to see what the warrenty is, if that means anything to you.
You say it shoots good, then it shoots good.
7.6 gpp is perfectly acceptable.
I think all the heavy arrow folks are a sub-set of archery. I've tried to find what their data points are in their experiments to support their theories of heavy arrows, but never get any.
So, if it shoots good for you, then it's good.
I'd hunt with a 7.6 gpp arrow for sure, if it's well tuned to my bow and quiet.
Good luck. And trust your own experiments and judgment.
Posts: 140 | From: Canandaigua, New York | Registered: Jun 2010
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quote:Originally posted by Bobaru: I'd check with Bob Lee to see what the warrenty is, if that means anything to you.
You say it shoots good, then it shoots good.
7.6 gpp is perfectly acceptable.
I think all the heavy arrow folks are a sub-set of archery. I've tried to find what their data points are in their experiments to support their theories of heavy arrows, but never get any.
So, if it shoots good for you, then it's good.
I'd hunt with a 7.6 gpp arrow for sure, if it's well tuned to my bow and quiet.
Good luck. And trust your own experiments and judgment.
That's ok... light arrow folks is another subset altogether.. And I've never had one prove the worth of shooting a light arrow for hunting big game to me..either..
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