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For me personally a whip. Here's a couple of numbers for ya. My whip is 64" 53lbs @ 28, my centaur is 62" 54 lbs @28. The whip is tuned to a total arrow weight of 530 grains, the centaur is tuned to a total arrow weight of 540 grains, both right at 10 gpp. I have chrono'd the whip at 170 fps and the centaur at 175. I don't think that Dan gets enough credit for the speed that his bows are able to generate. Dan has also redesigned the limb profile for his 58, 60, and 62 inch whips to generate additional speed from them, he has also told me that the draw is smoother, as if that is even possible. They are probably the smoothest drawing bow that I have had the chance to shoot. I have not had the chance to shoot the new limb design yet, but I am going to visit him over the holidays when I am back home in Montana. The last whip Dan built for me was a XX (XX = select woods) and he was able to build in six days. You will be hard pressed to find better customer service than Dan.
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Whip by all means. You will be impressed with a Toelke bow. Smooth shooting, fast, and very pleasing to the eye. Dan is a great guy to work with.
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Dan has a well thought out product, makes effort to keep up with the FPS guys , is a great instructor and just a wealth of knowledge on life and archery. Currently I'm on bow #4 from him, but with that said. There are many bowyers whos products share the same attributes and are great people as well. Now that you have a short list identified the bottom line is usually grip. At least it is for me.
Know your grip and understand your grip and have that understanding translated into your build. If you do this I think you will be happy right out of the gate and the bowyer becomes arbitrary. Going through the classifieds and trying the "current trend" this week has cost me far more in the long run than just biting the bullet and working through the design process. It's half the fun...
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I have owned one Whip and one Kanati and shot some other Whips.
The Whips very beautiful and streamlined.Its very very quiet.Its a pleasure to shoot.You have alot of custom wood options on the Toelke and the classic grip or one with the thumbrest.It comes in longer lengths than the Kanati if you were looking for something with more length.
I shot the 60" Kanati better though for what ever reason.Its plenty quick and enjoyable to shoot.Its a well made no nonsense hunting bow.The price is right.You may possibly prefer its forward set grip.It points naturally and gets you on target effortlessly.It would meet all your needs in a hunting bow that will get the job done admirably.
Its really hard to make a decision between 2 bows without trying them out for yourself.You have chosen 2 highly reputable bows and as you can see some prefer one some the other.
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Never shot a Whip. They look like nice enough bows though.
All I know is that I wanted a Kanati for a long time and now that I have one it's even better than I expected.
As far as speed is concerned, my Kanati is one pound heavier than my Pittsley Predator Recurve(the one I traded for the Kanati, with some "boot" to me ) but the Kanati was only 3-4 FPS slower than the speed demon Predator, with the same weight arrows. I shoot a fairly heavy arrow at a modest draw weight and a rather short draw length.
The Kanati is what I would call an extreme reflex/deflex bow and lacks nothing in the performance category nor in the shoot-ability category either.
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Can't say enough good things about Dan and his bows. Love my Toelke. I've shot a few different models and like them all...regular Whip the best, though.
Every now and then I get a craving to try/buy another bow and sometimes inquire about them on this site. There are many knowledgeable people here and many great bowyers. At the end of the day I always come back to my Whip.
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Kanati's are great bows, bought and sold a few and even offered one up for the St Jude's auction a couple of years back. After shooting both alot I favor the Whips. I like the arrow right on my hand and the shelf on Dan's bows just seems to be cut a little lower. Both bows have a very comfortable grip but the lower shelf is a personal preference for me.
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My first "classic" Whip is in the mail and Dan has made me 4 standard Whips. I cannot give a subjective opinion because I've not shot a Kanati but I can say that my Whips have been beautifully crafted, are superb shooters by any measure and all have been delivered in less than a month. Contact Dan, you will never deal with better people than the Toelke's nor find anyone who knows more about all things Archery and willing to share it than Dan.
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If I had an injury to nurse like you are talking about I would consider a super smooth long recurve. Its hard to beat a nice recurve with foam core.
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It's getting more difficult. I've been shooting with a 30# recurve just working on form for a few months, and generally stretching and light upper body workouts.
Last night, I picked up my regular (53#) recurve and shot four arrows with perfect form right prezackly where my "pick spot" was. Felt good so I rested a little and did it again.
The recurve is one I'll never part with so I may just put the $ in some new arras and see what I can work up to.
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I have not seen a Whip in person but I would love to shoot one some day...every bow I've seen on here was amazing looking!
I do have a 60" Kanati though and love it...very smooth (like butter) all the way out to 29.5", I have to remember to not overdraw it.
I'm also very lucky in that I get to build strings for Jason's bows...I have a special one coming soon! He's great to work with and nice to talk with on the phone. Can't wait to get my new one!
Building a new set of arrows this week for it.
Thanks,
Josh
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