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There seems to be two different variations of piebal. You will see them that have short legs and their lower jaw is extremely short, then their is the other variation that only affects hair colorations. When I used to do taxidermy in NC, their was an area that I usually got a few really nice bucks in every year that were physically normal except for their hair coloration. Surprisingly, they made really cool looking mounts.
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quote:Originally posted by recurvericky: There seems to be two different variations of piebal. You will see them that have short legs and their lower jaw is extremely short, then their is the other variation that only affects hair colorations. When I used to do taxidermy in NC, their was an area that I usually got a few really nice bucks in every year that were physically normal except for their hair coloration. Surprisingly, they made really cool looking mounts.
Of the ones I've seen here in NC none were physically deformed. Only the color variation was the difference. Many years ago I had to hit the brakes on my car to avoid hitting a piebald 4pt buck. He walked slowly across the road and I got a good long look at him. Other than the color he was normal.
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The only one I've seen was down near Destin Fla. A doe that was just standing on the side of the road.
I was excited and asked My wife. " Wow did You see that Piebald Deer? and she said " What Deer " LOL
I'm sure there are some color phase deer in this area of Kansas but I don't ever hear of any being killed for some reason. I have a couple of friends who do Taxidermy also.
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Piebalds should not be protected by hunters.
From a quick search, the Virginia DNR has a FAQ on piebalds and here's their answer...
Unlike true albinos, piebald deer have brown eyes and black hooves. The piebald condition is frequently associated with other harmful physical conditions, including skeletal deformities (e.g., dorsal bowing of the nose, short/deformed legs, curved spine, short lower mandible, etc.) and internal organ deformities. Piebald deer are rare, typically occurring at less than one percent of the population. Piebald deer can be more common on a local basis, especially in areas where deer hunters protect them. Piebald deer are not afforded any special protection by Department regulation, and the Department does not recommend these animals be protected.
The other kind of white deer are true albinos. Unlike piebald deer, these deer are normal except for lacking the gene(s) for color. True albinos have pink eyes and white hooves. These deer are rare with just a couple killed annually by deer hunters in Virginia. Like piebald deer, albino deer are not afforded any special protection by Department regulation, and the Department does not recommend these animals be protected.
From another quick search...
A piebald deer is a deer with a brown and white spotting pattern which is not caused by parasites or diseases. They can appear to be almost entirely white. In addition to the non-standard coloration, other differences have been observed: bowing or Roman nose, overly arched spine (scoliosis), long tails, short legs, and underbites.
Piebald deer (partially white) are from a recessive genetic trait and the deer usually become more prevalent due to overpopulation of a deer herd.
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I shot a piebald doe last week while meat-hunting with my gun. Since it wasn't a traditional harvest I won't post the pic, unless that sort of thing is ok. This is my first post, as i'm new to trad gang, and don't want be a rule breaker!
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Shot a piebald doe several years back. No pic but she is on the cover of Bows, Swamps , Whitetails . Thst pic was a year before I took her. More mottled on the neck than traditional piebald.
quote:Originally posted by pjeepkid: I shot a piebald doe last week while meat-hunting with my gun. Since it wasn't a traditional harvest I won't post the pic, unless that sort of thing is ok. This is my first post, as i'm new to trad gang, and don't want be a rule breaker!
Welcome to Trad gang! Glad you read the rules and followed them. They are pretty strict about the rules. It can piss a lot of people off but that's what keeps this place so nice.
quote:Originally posted by Cyclic-Rivers: I saw a piebald or skewbald deer at exit 16 on the NYS thruway by Harriman 5 years ago. Never saw it again but just this year one of my drivers saw one n the same spot on 4 different occasions this year.
Charlie, Just this past Monday while driving home from Newark airport from the Solana trip, I saw an absolutely beautifully marked piebald crossing the field right before the toll booth.
I mean it looked like an pronghorn from the long distance I saw it at. I know a few years back there was a buck right there. I have no idea what this one was, but it was gorgeous!
They've been around the Harriman toll booth for a long time.
I shot one back in the 90's in Westchester Co....he looked like a Pigmy...very short legs.
He came into rattling twice...first time he got a free pass. Later in the season, he wasn't so lucky. I have the skin tanned and displayed in my basement. Not a lot of white like some, but more than normal.
His attitude was that of a big mature buck...he was a little tough guy!
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That's the one. Absolutely stunning and beautiful markings. I wish I could pull over and just watch her.
Congrats on the buck. I imagine he was like a small dog. He had to act big in order to get along in life. I think the term "scrappy" fits well.
I keep telling my driver how lucky she is to be able to see that deer and that I am jealous of her. Not everyone is fortunate enough to see one of natures marvels.
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This is one I shot in NC a couple of years ago. Had the hide tanded and you can see it in my avatar. The white markings were all over this deer's body.
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I saw one at Harriman field before the toll as well. Seen her 4 different times this past season. 3 times with a group and once alone bedded along the woods.I pulled over and took a pic with my phone camera but she's not visible. Very pretty sight.
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quote:Originally posted by Mojostick: Piebalds should not be protected by hunters.
From a quick search, the Virginia DNR has a FAQ on piebalds and here's their answer...
Unlike true albinos, piebald deer have brown eyes and black hooves. The piebald condition is frequently associated with other harmful physical conditions, including skeletal deformities (e.g., dorsal bowing of the nose, short/deformed legs, curved spine, short lower mandible, etc.) and internal organ deformities. Piebald deer are rare, typically occurring at less than one percent of the population. Piebald deer can be more common on a local basis, especially in areas where deer hunters protect them. Piebald deer are not afforded any special protection by Department regulation, and the Department does not recommend these animals be protected.
The other kind of white deer are true albinos. Unlike piebald deer, these deer are normal except for lacking the gene(s) for color. True albinos have pink eyes and white hooves. These deer are rare with just a couple killed annually by deer hunters in Virginia. Like piebald deer, albino deer are not afforded any special protection by Department regulation, and the Department does not recommend these animals be protected.
From another quick search...
A piebald deer is a deer with a brown and white spotting pattern which is not caused by parasites or diseases. They can appear to be almost entirely white. In addition to the non-standard coloration, other differences have been observed: bowing or Roman nose, overly arched spine (scoliosis), long tails, short legs, and underbites.
Piebald deer (partially white) are from a recessive genetic trait and the deer usually become more prevalent due to overpopulation of a deer herd.
Gonna have to disagree with this one as I killed a piebald buck this year that had one snow white hoove. The dew claws were black as normal though. I can't post a picture as it was not a trad bow kill.
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