quote:Originally posted by Friend: There is likely no better evidence than appropriate testing coducted by one's self while maintaining an open mind.
BINGO!!!!!
I shoot 580 to 630 grains normally...and don't have any penetration issues ...even with 3 and 4 blades out of my bows....
However, *I* would NOT shoot at a TX whitetail with a 600 grain arrow out of a 45# bow. ....so take note, there are always exceptions....bows, arrow, and Bheads are all tools, and all need to be applied to the game sought. Yes, there are great all around set ups, ....and that's what I use most of the time....but I do change if need be.....i.e., lighter on TX deer....and a little heavier arrow or bow on large boar hogs....or a different head if lighter bow.
There is no one weight arrow, or one bow, or one broadhead that is best for everything.....just like there is no best off road tire for every environment.
Learn your equipment, and how and when to apply it....and use common sense....and don't be afraid to change if the scenario dictates based on YOUR experiences......
-------------------- Mr Terry.....will you turn on the crickets for me - Cade Cabrera Posts: 24187 | From: GAWGIA | Registered: Mar 2003
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I have to agree with Terry as well. The absolutes so often touted in traditional bowhunting continue to perplex me. For many decades folks had no problem shooting through whitetails with 40-something-pound bows and arrows weighing between 400 and 500 grains. But today there's a contingent of folks, history be damned, who seem convinced that ethics is determined by a set of ratios, digital scale readings, or bevel counts. For a group so deeply rooted in our collective history, we sure seem selective about what we choose to remember.
So what's so special about 600-grain arrows? Nothing really.
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My set-ups vary per bow. From 425gr to 700gr arrows. Broad Heads from 125gr to 300gr. All depends on the game and the bow. Lots of work and fun.
-------------------- " The History of the Bow and Arrow is the History of Mankind " Fred Bear
TGMM Family of The Bow Compton Traditional Bowhunters Posts: 2185 | From: Big Timber, Montana | Registered: Oct 2010
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quote:Originally posted by charles m: Great post. Arrow flight and accuracy far exceeds all the other stuff that folks get all caught up in. Most folks would be better served by spending more time tuning their set ups and learning to shoot better than arguing over broad heads and jumping on band wagons.
Same with all other equipment cult like stuff. Like what has been said, use common sense applications. 45# bows and 500 grain arrows have been blowing 4 blade Bear razor heads through whitetails long before we even had a man on the moon. Deer didn't grow Kevlar vest over the last 5 decades, but many would lead you to believe they have. Why? Well, I have my beliefs but I'll leave that for you to ponder.
If you can't shoot a broadhead, even a multiblade, slap through a whitetail with a 500 grain arrow, you have other issues. Just don't expect to kill a cape buff with that same arrow with regularity.
I also have to agree that certain folks want to totally ignore history, AND, what others have done successfully. What also gets me is that many of these folks parroting this stuff never even kill anything.
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quote:many of these folks parroting this stuff never even kill anything. [/QB]
That's the beauty of the internet. I have and have had many hobbies and have joined forums similar to this one for most of them through the years. It's always the same.
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A 600gr arrow will give great penetration all things being equal but this penetration is worthless if you miss your target. I don't obsess over arrow weight. My cedar arrows seem to come out at around 550grs with a 125gr head so that is what I shoot. There's not much you can do to take weight off of a woodie. Spend your time trying to get good arrow flight and the weight should be fine.
My two cents and that's all it's worth.
Ross
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Here is my take on this subject. I TOTALLY agree that noone needs 600 grain arrows to hunt whitetails, but at the same time, I have no problem improving penetration by shooting a heavy arrow.
I think todays bows are more efficient and are perfectly capable of shooting heavier arrows for increased penetration while still maintaining acceptable cast.
I wouldn't go so far as suggesting 600 grains for a 45# bow is a must, but I wouldn't be afraid to shoot a whitetail with one either.
Use what you want .... something that shoots well out of your bow. Like a buddy of mine always says, keep it simple Fred, it's only two sticks and a string!
Having said that, I would try and keep it at 10 gpi or above. Not all shots are perfect and one day you may need the extra punch.
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I like a heavy arrow as it will out penetrate the lighter one, just about every time. However I shoot a very effecient 55# longbow that is shooting my 650 grain arrows right at 165 fps. I don't mind having a little speed to go along with the heavy arrows. Most of the deer I have killed with a trad bow were killed with a self made 49# bow shooting a 550 grain arrow at 154 fps. All these deer were killed in lower Arkansas where they are very spooky and will "duck" if they even think anything is wrong. When I shot a lighter arrow I found that they ducked more because of the extra noise made. In short I like a silent heavy arrow over a noisy light one.
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