Africa!

Contribute to Trad Gang
Become a Trad Gang Sponsor
Abowyer, Inc.





Trad Gang.com Post New Topic  Post A Reply
MY PROFILE | directory login | register | search | FAQ | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Trad Gang.com » Main Forums » The Dark Continent » African Lion with BW recurve (Page 8)

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!   This topic comprises 10 pages: 1  2  3  ...  5  6  7  8  9  10   
Author Topic: African Lion with BW recurve
ronald poole
Member
Member # 19797

Icon 1 posted      Profile for ronald poole   Email ronald poole   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
great hunt marty
lammie is a friend of mine
he came over and went gear hunting with me in arkansas
had a good hunt and he got his first black bear that hunt
he wanted me to set with him and we both got a bear that afternoon

Posts: 14 | From: hector arkansas | Registered: Mar 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
stickbow2442
Trad Bowhunter
Member # 20789

Icon 1 posted      Profile for stickbow2442   Email stickbow2442   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
WOW....great story !

--------------------
Robert
***************************
Michigan Longbow Association
----------------------------

Posts: 191 | From: Union City, Michigan | Registered: Jul 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Young Buck
Member
Member # 20273

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Young Buck   Email Young Buck   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
[clapper] [clapper] [clapper]

--------------------
I am not judged by the number of times I fail, but by the number of times I succeed. And the number of times I succeed is in direct proportion to the number of times I can fail and keep trying.

Posts: 77 | From: California | Registered: May 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Talondale
Contributor 2007
Member # 9336

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Talondale   Email Talondale   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ray Hammond:
But lions being bred in an enclosure for one purpose- to be killed- by being thrown into another enclosure a few days weeks or months prior to the "hunt" happening- does that sound like what we ought to be about, whether its legal or not?

Isn't that essentially what we do with stocked trout streams? I understand Ray's point but the thing I don't agree with Ray is that his position is essentially one of retreat. We are letting people who, he admits, have no real understanding of what we do or the circumstances surrounding what we do decide our fate. I would rather we inform the general public, much like Mr. Bear did, about all the aspects of hunting, even the sad realities that sometimes force us to forgo the IDEAL, such as the many circumstances Andy has mentioned. Remember, at one time bowhunting was not considered humane and an effective way to hunt. It took ambassadors of the sport, like Fred Bear, to inform the public and not only convince them it was fair and "ethical" but also inspired a lot of people to actually take up the sport. I'd rather take an offensive position then a defensive position because on defense we will still lose our rights by degrees regardless of what we do because those who oppose us want no compromise and nothing we do will meet with their satisfaction except the total abolishment of hunting and eventually ownership of weapons.

Great story Buff. Congrats.

--------------------
Jesse, forever 5

Posts: 2061 | From: Botetourt Co. VA | Registered: May 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
jcar315
Contributor 2017
Member # 19642

Icon 1 posted      Profile for jcar315   Email jcar315   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Very interesting reading to say the least.

--------------------
Proud Dad to two awesome Kids and a very passionate pig hunter.

Right handed but left eye dominant.

Proud to be a Native TEXAN!!!!!

"TGMM Family of the Bow"

Posts: 5290 | From: Boonsboro Maryland | Registered: Mar 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Ray Hammond
SPONSOR
Member # 607

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Ray Hammond   Author's Homepage   Email Ray Hammond   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Talondale,

I never saw a fence in any of Fred's hunting film.

Fair chase is the ONLY way to hunt- PERIOD. End of sentence.

I'm sorry to be so blunt- but you are wrong. And you know I don't imply any disrespect- you,me and all the guys on this site, almost without exception, are all sympatico or we would not be doing it with stickbows.

You could tell the 80% who don't hunt and are NOT anti-hunters all day -that hunting inside an enclosure- be it 10 acres or 1000 acres- is OK, and you'll not get any sympathy from them on that subject.

And that will be the end of fair chase hunting in the end if we take that tack. Because they hold the fate of our activity in THEIR hands...you and anyone else who believes that we should support hunting behind enclosures because its hunting are making the job of the idiots on the other side easier.

You ever seen those funny commercials where the kid that's already in the room doesn't get ice cream but the kid that walks in the door gets some-Even kids know its wrong...... is the tag line.

That's kind of the answer here.

Instinctively, the majority in the middle will go with their gut and say "this is wrong". Because the image they get in their heads will be what they are spoonfed by the media- and believe me- it won't be Buff's movie- it will be one where the fence is very obvious, and the animal is back ed up into it, and then shot-probably seven times with a gun.

Whether you or I like it or not our fate isn't in our hands...its in the hands of non hunters, and this is a guaranteed LOSE position.

Buff and I have spoken at length "off camera" and I've assisted him in hopefully finding what he needs for a fair chase elephant. I'm betting instead of doing what he did on this lion if he'd said "help" we'd have likely been able to find him somehting for lion too. We'll not know for sure...but I would have given it my all to have kept this from being here.

--------------------
“Courageous, untroubled, mocking and violent-that is what Wisdom wants us to be. Wisdom is a woman, and loves only a warrior.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

Posts: 8812 | From: Buford GA | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Young Buck
Member
Member # 20273

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Young Buck   Email Young Buck   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Here kitty, kitty...

--------------------
I am not judged by the number of times I fail, but by the number of times I succeed. And the number of times I succeed is in direct proportion to the number of times I can fail and keep trying.

Posts: 77 | From: California | Registered: May 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Talondale
Contributor 2007
Member # 9336

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Talondale   Email Talondale   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Sorry for the delay in response Ray. I understand what you are saying and agree that the media will determine what kind of image they see - IF we let them. We are only in this position because generations of people have taken a passive, mind-my-own-business, approach to this. How is it that the media has become 99% liberal? How is it that Hollywood, that once blacklisted communist sympathizers, is now mostly marxist, socialist, treehuggers? We yielded the field. Yes it's a sad truth that in some areas only fence hunts are allowed. Well, rather than try to ignore that fact, or accept it, fight back. Inform the public why their knee-jerk emotional based political pressure leads to stupid policies. Use their own methods to appeal to their sentiments and suggest a better way. Put it in their face that if they continue to support ignorant policies based on a Disneyfied concept of nature that the animals will suffer and possibly go extinct because in reality most people don't care about the animals unless there's a monetary value attached. I just saw a stupid commercial last night for the Nissan Leaf where a polar bear travels thousands of miles to hug the owner of an electric car! That's the kind of stupidity we're dealing with. I know it may seem pollyannaish and I accept that sometimes raw facts, like carrying capacities, finances, and other things, are going to sometimes trump the ideal but we can't continue to only do what's right on an individual basis and hope things turn out alright. Sometimes we have to go beyond, we have to push back. Yes, police our own ranks, yes, be involved in game law decisions, yes hunt as ethically and humane as we can as individuals but minding our own house won't be enough. When Fred started the majority would have gone with their gut and said that bowhunting was inhumane, archaic, barbaric, and impracticle. Modern weaponry was the only way a gentleman should pursue game. But he made an effort to inform the public. Maybe rather then selling products our hunting videos should be selling our ideals. All of which has nothing to do with Buff's hunt directly but I hate to see a shrinking segment of hunters just hold to their ideals while their way of life is outlawed. The other reality is that fair chase may not be an option for certain species. Will countries be willing to let large, huntable populations of predators roam their country free just so a handful of Foreigners can come chase them in an ideal setting? Ranchers will demand compensation for lost livestock or will resort to poaching. At some point the government will have to balance rancher/general population needs with the cost effectiveness of maintaining these lions and they will decide that either the lion isn't worth it or the price will be so high that only a handful of well financed hunters will have the opportunity. Is it better that only 6 (random number) hunters get a chance to hunt a free range lion each year and the number of lion is just enough to say they are there? or do we try for a synthesis of the two? Controlled populations in isolated (fenced) areas where they are allowed to be hunted but their numbers are maintained through careful management, much like the stocked trout stream example I mentioned. The trout are raised in small controlled areas to maximize reproduction and released into wild streams. Is the trout truely wild? Is it ethical to fish for them? Do fish that have been artificially feed have a chance to avoid the lures of the fisherman? It would be great if all the Eastern streams had trout jumping out of them but the realities of fishing pressure and natural limits (warm season water) means that can't happen. Should we therefore forego stocking streams and only catch the limited brook trout that are native and viable in small locations and limit the number of licenses so that the select few only pursue a pristine experience?

--------------------
Jesse, forever 5

Posts: 2061 | From: Botetourt Co. VA | Registered: May 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
kennyb
Contributor 2016
Member # 23355

Icon 1 posted      Profile for kennyb   Author's Homepage   Email kennyb   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Buff-what a great story! sounded like excellent shooting to me!! good job!
Kennyb

--------------------
>>>-------------->
Black Widow-PSA III 60"
Tall Tines Recurve 62"
U.S Army Veteran
U.S. Army Military Police K-9 Corps
PBS Associate Member

Posts: 836 | From: SE Michigan | Registered: Mar 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
cjgregory
Trad Bowhunter
Member # 17355

Icon 1 posted      Profile for cjgregory   Email cjgregory   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I need to get to africa. Way cheaper and sounds like more fun than $30,000.00 for a Ram in Canada and Alaska.
I should be able to get more munting time for $30,000.00

--------------------
You get to keep what you kill. If it were easy there would be no value in it.
64" Silvertip 58# @ 31"

Posts: 116 | From: Bennett, Colorado | Registered: Aug 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
jeanpaul3006
Trad Bowhunter
Member # 7671

Icon 1 posted      Profile for jeanpaul3006   Email jeanpaul3006   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
definitely ,interesting points of view. I'm not against fenced in hunts in africa as long as the game is wild and the acreage large. The debate could be what is a sufficient amount of land .definitely against the hunts where lions purchased from zoos are placed in tiny enclosures to be slaughtered.I've seen a hunting show in the us where the deer can be purchased by size and priced accordingly. The deer pics are shown with a man holding the deer by the antlers with the corresponding price for each deer.So ,obviously the deer was drugged and placed for a pic.meanwhile in other states, huge enclosures are not meant to keep deer in, but to keep deer out.Quality management on20,000. plus acres. I can't see the fences disappearing, it's a matter of legislated what is ethical ,and who decides that?
Posts: 631 | From: ste agathe manitoba canada | Registered: Nov 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
calgarychef
Trad Bowhunter
Member # 12551

Icon 1 posted      Profile for calgarychef   Email calgarychef   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
You'll find a ram for much less than $30,000 in Canada or Alaska. The difference is you'll be sold a HUNT not a sheep. In real hunting there are no guarantees.

the chef

Posts: 1254 | From: canada | Registered: May 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
cjgregory
Trad Bowhunter
Member # 17355

Icon 1 posted      Profile for cjgregory   Email cjgregory   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I never assumed there were guarantees calgary. Don't want one. But you will have to point me to a hunt that your talking about. I have been saving a while for this one.
On topic, are you refering to the lion hunt?

--------------------
You get to keep what you kill. If it were easy there would be no value in it.
64" Silvertip 58# @ 31"

Posts: 116 | From: Bennett, Colorado | Registered: Aug 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
crazyhorse86
Contributor 2011
Member # 21986

Icon 1 posted      Profile for crazyhorse86   Email crazyhorse86   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
nice story and results, what a pretty lion.
Posts: 166 | From: Wy | Registered: Nov 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
USN_Sam1385
Contributor 2014
Member # 27556

Icon 1 posted      Profile for USN_Sam1385   Email USN_Sam1385   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
.

--------------------
62" Craig Warren Black Timber 3PC T/D Recurve: 48lb @ 28".

Posts: 608 | From: Eastern Missouri | Registered: Jan 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
  This topic comprises 10 pages: 1  2  3  ...  5  6  7  8  9  10   

Quick Reply ~ PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU POST! - Is your post trad bowhunting related? Check the FAQ or EMAIL if you're unsure!
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code™ is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Shoot On Over To:


Contact Us | Trad Gang.com © | Privacy Statement

Copyright 2003 thru 2017 ~ Trad Gang.com ©

Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.1