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Charlie, They say your brain works the best and is the most creative in the morning..... Especially after a cup or twelve of joe, haha !
I went to the link you posted like I should have two days ago and really started looking at the system for holding the stones. It would be easy for Ron to offer a extra wooden block with a hole drilled lengthwise to hold a ceramic rod or a chainsaw file. Hard to explain here without being able to draw, but drill the hole beginning in the front of the wooden block,( the end that faces away from you as you are sharpening ). Drill back toward the rear end of the block, but do not drill all the way thru, leave a blind hole. This will serve to hold the rods in place as you push the block away from you in the sharpening process. close the open, front end of the hole with a piece of tape, no force needed to simply hold the rod in the hole, all the pressure is towards the rear of the block which has the blind hole for support. You will need to cut away all the wood between the front and rear of the wooden block to expose the, "captured rod " , leaving an " ear " on each end that holds and supports the rod. If the hole is the correct size it will allow a chainsaw file to rotate and use the entire surface of the file. As the file is pushed into the blade it will naturally rotate.
If you are not a woodworker a simpler method would be to buy two spring clips, ( like the ones that hold arrows in a arrow rack ), and screw them to a wooden block. You would need a hard stop on the rear of the wooden block extending past the rod to give the rod something to push against as you push the rod across the blade. A simple piece of wood or metal extended down about 1/2" would work. Just load the file or ceramic rod of your choice into the clips making sure the rear of the file or rod was against the rear stop for support and away you go.
If Ron wanted to offer this on a production basis it would be very simple to have a plastic rod holder moulded which would make it much more cost effective I would think ? If not then I think I will be buying the diamond knife sharpening kit and make me a wooden rod holder myself for now. This should solve the problem of the big ole concave edge on them Treesharks. JMHO
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Dull knives are much more dangerous than sharp ones, even for the women-folk.
I'm in full agreement that a truly sharp broadhead is crucial to penetration, but if the arrow is wobbling it won't penetrate well, no matter how sharp the point. At least it'll do maximum damage to what it hits. All the effort to achieve perfect tuning is wasted if the head is dull.
Good stuff, Charlie.
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Having talked some with Ron myself, I know he wants to keep stone quality top drawer and USA made. Hasn't been that easy... today's world things get sloppy at times...
I know he's always on the look out for some round stones to use for serrated and such.
HIs equipment and guidance took me from the 12-Step meetings saying, "Hi, I'm Doc Nock and I'm sharpening impaired" to "look at what I can cut now!"
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I just used mine for the 1st time last night....found it last week after someone put it up in a safe place for me after Christmas....gotta love her though.
Charlie's thread prompted me to try my hand at it.
I did a Zephyr Sasquatch last night....and the KME is all its cracked up to be.
Like Charlie said....getting them this sharp from the get go at the house will make touch up in the field after a shot a cinch.
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Will the knife system sharpen ACE broadheads or are they too small?
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After all the praise in this post and because of they're gracious support of the St.Jude's Auction I bought a knife sharpening system. I don't have trouble sharpening on my own; but I have some salvaged Cold Steel knives that need to be brought back from butter knife to the shining examples of sharpness Cold Steel knives usually are. So this seemed to be the ticket plus the other duties this can accomplished.
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oh the full list of secrets of arrow penetration 1)Broadhead sharpness, a razor should weep in envy. 2)As close as you can get to perfect asrrow flight 3)High front of center weight, with a minimum of 10 grains of arrow weight per pound of draw weight aka at least a 500 grain arrow out of a 50# bow. Even heavier will work better until about 17 grains per pound being the point of diminishing returns. 4) Low cross sectional denisity aka thin arrow with as little fletching as you can achieve secret #2 with. 5)Shot placement, knowing where the space between the ribs is and putting the arrow there.
Of coarse I know that you all probably know all that. I just couldn't help myself.
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Romans3... You should have no trouble at all using the knife sharpening system on the Ace heads. Those Ace broadheads have some super steel in them and I suspect you'll be awed by the edge you get with the KME.
quote:Originally posted by Charlie Lamb: Romans3... You should have no trouble at all using the knife sharpening system on the Ace heads. Those Ace broadheads have some super steel in them and I suspect you'll be awed by the edge you get with the KME.
i've sharpened ace standards on my kme knife sharpener - yep, hair shaving sharp.
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Charlie, I hope I'm not misunderstanding but, it sounds like from what your saying, you could do most broadheads with the knife system. Are there any broadheads that you think would be difficult to do with the knife system?
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i do believe that the kme KNIFE sharpener will easily sharpen all TWO blade heads (or 4 blades with removal bleeder blades).
the kme, like most all other sharpening systems, won't do three bladed heads like woodsmans and snuffers.
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Joe D... How've you been bud? Like Rob said above.
I've mentioned that I think there may be trouble with heavilly concaved blades... the KME will do them, but I suspect the hone will take a beating after a while as it's mainly the edges of the stones that contact the blade.
May just give Ron a call and get his take on that.
Somewhere around here I've got a Howard Hill head that I'm gonna try as soon as I find it. The heavy aluminum ferrule can present problems with some systems, but I'll bet the knife sharpener will work on it as well.
Wow Mike! A dealer. That's pretty cool. I'm gonna have to break away and get up to Comptons one of these days. Sounds like a great time.
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Charlie...I've bean great....thanks! It's great to read your contributions and I hope all is going great for ya. PM me your street address, I have something I'd like to share with ya that I'm sure you'll enjoy. It sounds like the knife setup would work for me....thanks for the feedback.
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