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Author Topic: Respect Biggie Hoffman SPONSOR - Charter Member Member # 29 posted                     ya know, this instant communication thing is good I guess but here's an observation. I'll admit I'm one of the older guys here. I'll be 50 in Sept and I'm not saying this for myself.... Some of the younger guys here show little respect for the aged bowhunters. I know Dan Quillen stopped coming to the OTHER message board cause a guy who had never taken a deer with a bow told him he was na a hole and didn't know what he was talking about. I've seen people call Mr. St Clair an idiot. One thread a guy born in 1980 said Van didn't know what he was talking about on an arrow penetraion issue. Being "old" doesn't make you right, but a guy born in 1980 who's been bowhunting for a few years should value an opinion from some one who's been at this for 40 years. Bowhunting when there was little game and taking a doe a year was the mark of a good bowhunter. Before all the gadgets and if you choose to include them, portable treestands. So you young bucks take it easy.....when you see a post from Dano or Herb, take note and don't be so quick to shoot at them. hey, you might really learn something! -------------------- PBS Life Member Member 1K LLC "If you are twenty and aren't liberal you don't have a heart...if you're forty and not conservative you don't have a brain".....Winston Churchill Posts: 4373 | From: Gray, Ga. 31032 | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged |  Tom Mussatto Contributor 2011 Member # 444 posted                        Yep. Age doesn't automatically and necessarily mean wisdom but experience (and you can only accumulate that with age) does account for something. On the other hand, I have seen some old farts in here and elsewhere (I'm 55 and probably been guilty of this) who seem to expect their opinions to be accepted as gospel, and can get contankerous and defensive when it's not. I would say overall respect is a two way street. I can, and do, learn from everybody, regardless of age or experience. -------------------- Tom Mussatto Posts: 1296 | From: Illinois | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged |  Mr. Bowhunter sustaining member Member # 3314 posted                     You know Biggie, I think you hit the nail on the head. It goes alot further and deeper than just these forums we visit. There's a problem in today's society with those younguns coming up. I try to teach both my kids to be respectful when they disagree with the elders. Disagreeing is okay and healthy but you got to be tactful about and not be disparaging in your reply. Maybe we just need to take em out to the wood shed for a reminder every now and then. -------------------- There comes a time in a man's life when he desires a simpler existence, for me, that time has arrived. Posts: 47 | From: Dillonvale, OH | Registered: Apr 2004  |  IP: Logged |  bayoulongbowman Trad Bowhunter Member # 78 posted                     sometimes ya can learn more if ya shut up and listen.... thats hard for me, LOL....respect , well said!...and for me alot of LUCK......MARK#78...nothing better than sitting around camp fire listening to bowhunters ...not bad idea to take bowhunters safety course , check it out you'd be suprised how much you can forget!...Oh yeah JULY 30th I will be 50! -------------------- "If you're living your life as if there is no GOD, you had better be right!" Posts: 12162 | From: Baton Rouge , La. | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged |  WaKeDa BT Trad Bowhunter Member # 5785 posted                 That's what makes this place nice is the restraint and respect shown amongst the members. Nothing is perfect but I have spent time on a bunch of different sites and this one is truly a cut above in that respect. -------------------- "Shoot'em when they ain't lookin" Posts: 2690 | From: Arkansas | Registered: Feb 2005  |  IP: Logged |  Ted A. Young Trad Bowhunter Member # 240 posted                  I think we all tend to think our opinions is the right one, not necessarily the only one but, AHHHH, the right one! I even been accuse of being opinionated! GUILTY I know. Guess it boils down to how we present that opinion and react to others. I pledge to be a kinder more gentle ole poop if those young whipper snappers will just listen! -------------------- Ted A. Young AKA COB. When I was young I spoke as child. Now I'm older and got more sense I can't get any one to listen to me! Posts: 1296 | From: Central Ohio | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged |  jgbennett6 Trad Bowhunter Member # 5432 posted                     I think you are right as well Mr. Hoffman, i was born in 1980. and i will be the first to admit that i have a large amount of respect for all of the members here on tradgang. especially those of you who are regular contributers. however i dont think that this general concept of respect can blanket a whole era of ages. , there is a difference b/t respect and agreeing. I respect my elders, i was taught that a long time ago, if it weren't for them i would not be who i am today, but to say they are two different things. jsut recently a great man took me under his wing an taught me the skill of leather working, and i am now doing things i never thought possible, and for that i am greatful beyond belief for the experience i have learned since i have become a member of tradgang, and from listening to my elders. -------------------- Smoooooth!! TGMM - Family of the bow Posts: 641 | From: Coooperstown NY | Registered: Jan 2005  |  IP: Logged |  LostHawg ***unregistered*** posted              But, Biggie, I'm in Old Coot training. I'd get low marks if I were respectful ALL the time. Actually, I've been known to mouth off more than once. The I-net is just too anonymous and easy to cause one to become selfinflated. Of course there are a lot of folks who just don't care because they won't be held accountable in real time. But, you're right. I'm only 41 and seems the older I get the more I realize I don't know squat. Seems I get dummer every year too. Perhaps it's the realization of my limited knowledge. IP: Logged |  WildmanSC Contributor 2009 Member # 115 posted                     I THINK THIS IS A BUNCH OF HOGWASH AND YOU FELLAS NEED TO GET A LIFE!!! Just kidding! I've seen this attitude of non-respect for those of the mature genre, uh, that's me, in so many venues other than hunting forums that it is really disconcerting. But think about it, what should we expect. Think about the last political campaign and the attacks that started against one candidate for President in the other party's primaries. And the attacks were personal and vicious. And those attacks have continued ever since the election was won by our current President when he won reelection. It is so much different than a generation ago when we had a President in the White House who endeavored to cover up some break-ins conducted by his underlings at Watergate. What did the minority party, his party, do? They did what any statesmen should do, they went to him and said "Mr. President, resign or we will join the Democrats and vote to unanimously impeach you." We need statesmen like Senator (R) Baker from TN and others of that era to set an example for our country and our young people today. Sadly, we are tremendosly lacking in that department. We can each, however, endeavor to do our part by setting that example on this and other forums. I must admit, there is one board on which I am often tempted to unload. Sadly, on occasion I have and later had to repent for having done so. Bill -------------------- TGMM Family of the Bow ------------------------------------- Praise the Lord Jesus Christ, He is Worthy Posts: 4035 | From: Goose Creek, SC | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged |  LostHawg ***unregistered*** posted              It starts in the home. "Spare the rod, spoil the child". Too many folks think that time-outs work. Parents yelling at their children instead of taking disciplinary actions. All the media hype and video games teaching violence without accountability. Child Protective Services jumping in because a daycare provider finds a bruise on a 5 year old's leg. (Imagine that) We're trying to make the government the center for parenting skills instead of parenting at home. Like ADHD; give 'em a pill. A lot of times its really just the kid saying "I'm young, teach me how to act". It began with the end of the 60s and the "Free Love" movement where family no longer meant learning to live. Family became a "convenience" instead of a union. Husband and Wife vows no longer MEANT "I DO", they became just formalities. The disrespect will only continue to get worse as long as we don't try to police ourselves within our homes. Wedding vows to be VOWS, Parenting skills to be based on unity and love. Not this free-for-all that we're seeing today. Anyway, sorry to ramble. It's a pet peeve of mine. IP: Logged |  Joey Ward Trad Bowhunter Member # 344 posted                     Age ain't got nothing to do with it. If you can't hunt with a bow weight of at least 55#s at your draw, I ain't got no respect for ya. I mean come on, my grandma could hunt with 55#s, hike all day, drag out a 200# buck, dress it, and grill tenders for supper, wash the dishes, then chop firewood before bed. I'm willing to make an exception for George D. Stout. Stout? That's a misnomer. -------------------- Joey Ward Posts: 745 | From: Montgomery, Alabama | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged |  ArcticArcher Contributor 2013 Member # 4631 posted                     I agree about the respect thing. It does go both ways though. Sometimes the "old" way is the best way, but there are some things that when changed do work better. It's in how you discuss the matter. Disagreeing on things is common place but it should be done respectfully. Besides, if what you do works for you and you are happy with the results, do it your way. It's kinda like listening to your Dad, they make suggestions, which most of us never listened to, then when it didn't work our way, Dad seemed smarter. Some folks just have to learn the hard way. A respectful youngster at 43. Nick -------------------- TGMM Family of the Bow Proud member of the Twister Twelve Posts: 665 | From: IA/IL | Registered: Oct 2004  |  IP: Logged |  Littlefeather Trad Bowhunter Member # 982 posted                     I absolutely agree Biggy!!!!!! I love to sit and listen to the older guys of this sport. I figure any guy who has spent more time behind a bow than me definitely has something to teach me. I listen!!!! This brings me to to something that happened to me awhile back. I ask Lance Coleman why when I post pics of my successes(kills) that some guys find ways to bash me. This sometimes happens through email pointing out things in negative ways. It never happened till I started showing success on-line. Lance said something that will forever stick in my mind. He said people begin to know you when you post openly on-line. He said "WITH FAME COMES ENVY".......... I certainly never have thought of myself as famous and never want to be thought of in that light but something definitely changed when people started to know me. I believe this is the driving force behind the behavior of some people. The people that can't be the caliber of Traditionalist as you, Ron Laclair, Dan Quillian, and many others, will try and knock you down so that you are closer to the level they are at. In doing this, these individuals somehow think they appear to their audience as better Traditionalists than they will ever be. I think its just human nature for the guy who wants to be something he isn't to beat the guys down who are the ones he actually admires so much. I like you Biggie!!!! I promise I wont bash you even though you are really getting ooooold!!! Posts: 5960 | From: So. Texas | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged |  FLHunter Trad Bowhunter Member # 66 posted                  Interesting subject! At 58 I have mixed feelings about respect and what it means. I can respect an individual and not agree with them. Personally I think respect IMHO has to be earned. I can be respectful of someones opinion, but not respect or agree with them. In the military we were taught to respect the rank we saluted, but necessarily the individual that was wearing it, that had to be earned. I offer anyone a certain level of respect, not knowing them. Then its their choice to either loose that respect, or have it grow on me. -------------------- Aim Hard! Posts: 1126 | From: Homestead, FL | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged |  Mike Byrge Trad Bowhunter Member # 187 posted                     Kinda hit a nerve there Tracy didn't it!!! I agree with you. The positive side to this is that there are alot of us "less experienced" guys who pay attention when one of the elders have something to say...you just don't hear from us. So I'm saying thanks for the advice and direction that is given from the guys that been doing this for awhile. 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