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Just read about a guy who thinks that he hit a moose in the "no kill zone" RIGHT UNDER THE SPINE !! Now, I have never shoot a moose, but on deer the only thing under the spine is lungs and ofcourse the really big blood vein that provides the back of the body with blood
So people, educate me here, do I have to go reread my " how to kill a moose " manuel ?
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Depending on the size of the moose,but there is a space of 6-8" under the spine and above the lungs.We have cleaned moose that have had wounds there. Harl
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The only time there is a space is if the animal has a deflated lung and sucking chest wound.If space did exist the animal would die.The lung has to completely fill the cavity in order to function at all times.
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Now this is getting interesting ! Harl, can you elaborate this for me ? Mr Ward that is one impressive site you got there ! Its a shame you dont have a picture of moose anatomy on there. Its also a shame that I have such an old puter, it takes forever to load your site Now come on guys, were taking about facts here not fantasy. It should be possible to set this question straight ! Or maybe tonightI have to go find a picture of moose anatomy on the net myself
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Jacob, possibly you need to contact the author and find out exactly what he means. Possible it could have been an editorial glitch. Only no-kill zone I have seen on a moose in the spine area is the hump. Sure that doesn't sound like what you read but I could refer you to the spine fault diagram in TBB.
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Interesting question then, Jacob. Only time I everinvestigated a moose anatomy they were always laying on their backs. Looked like lots of lung up there to me but I sure ain't no expert. Wish I was more help to you.
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Busted chairs and broken dreams. Posts: 2097 | From: Port Alberni, BC | Registered: Sep 2003
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there have also been thread concerning 'the void' in deer on other sites (LW). I believe there was a Dr. who posted that it is anatomically impossible for there to be a void between the lungs and the top of the thorax (spine, tenderloins, etc).
even if there were, the resulting would would create a pnuemothorax...as the diaphram contracted, it would suck outside air in through the hole to fill up the cavity around the lungs, and the lungs wouldn't expand at all....still equals dead moose/deer.
I dunno...haven't killes any moose, or enough deer to really know...
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The spine dips down and the ribcage becomes smaller as it enters the shoulder area on deer. Perhaps he only thought his arrow was below the spine. Did he shot the animal latter and verifiy his first hit?
I have no experience with moose though.
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Theoretically, there is a very thin layer of "nothing" Between lung and spine, composed of connective tissue etc. But it is very narrow, and one would have to be very unlucky to thread an arrow through it without putting down one or both lungs. Because moose are so tall, when shooting from a kneeling position it would be far easier to miss the top of the offside lung because of the upward trajectory of the arrow. Furthermore, moose have a lot more "stuff" (muscle, hide and the transverse processes of the vertebrae) above the spine than deer, Consequently, the spine lays farther below the "top" of the animal, creating the optical illusion that you've shot below it when you haven't. I think these two explanations are more likley. Don
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I'd definatly agree with that 2nd half as we've butchered a few moose now that have been hit "in the lungs" that were actually high or right at the spine.
I had at one time, a carcass picture of one of my bull moose (02). I dont think we saved it as it was a digital picture, I think. If we do It will show the cavaty as I was trying to show the size (width and thickness) of moose ribs to a buddy in Tn and also show him whats left at butchering the "gutless" method.
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The man did not get the bull, he just thinks he hit it under the spine.
OK, I have to be honest with ya all, I have fielddressed and butcherd more deers than I care to remember and many different spieces too. I dont believe for a second that you can hit anything under the spine without hitting lungs. I was just getting myself a laugh. And I am pretty shure this guy hit the bull above it. Think he have to learn some anatomy.
Don, love your writing.
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