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Dynamic means you never stop pulling....Static means you stop.
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I just started using what I consider the most Dynamic release out there. A style of snap shooting. I try to mirror TG's style of release. There is no chance of the arrow creeping forward before the shot. The reason I did this is because Rod Jenkins said on one of the MBB to only think about the spot you want to hit. When I "snap" shoot I don't give myself time to try and aim or think about anything else but THAT spot. So far so good.
P.S. I would like to put a video up and get tips. Where do I do that?
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Right here for the video. There are many that will and can weigh in.
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I think as with anything, there is more then one way to do something right, Rick Welch is one of the best shots out there and he uses a dead release, and many others mentioned above use a dynamic release and shoot as well as Rick does, so it is different for everyone, what works for one will not work as well for another. Develop what works best for you and stick with it.
For years I struggled with Target Panic, I compensated my TP by snap shooting, I was never a very good shot, thanks to tips from threads from this site and Ricks Accuracy Factory DVD I am now shooting better then I ever thought I could and pretty much TP free, I won't say I don't ever have a shot where I let my nerves get the best of me, as anyone that has had serious TP knows, it is a monster that you have to keep at bay and is an on going struggle, but I have developed the mentle tools to do a very good job at keeping it at bay, and if I have an occasional shot that I pluck, because of bad habits developed over many years of TP, I no longer let it bother me, and the next 20 shots will fly true.
I know the thought and teachings of never stop pulling, but I can guarentee that if I shot like that, within a week I would be back to snap shooting, I have tried it more then a few times a long ways back because I thought that was the only correct way to shoot, and that is what continued to begin to happen.
Its not until I said the heck with it, I am not going to be able to be a dynamic shooter, and started practicing using a dead release and as Rick states... settle into my shot and take a few seconds at full anchor, to let my muscles and upstairs computer develop a sort of memory that my shooting improved, again more then I ever imagined.
Again, each individual has to experiment, and do what works for you and stick with it. The better shot you become, how ever you need to shoot to be confident, the more you will enjoy traditional archery, I was not able to enjoy archery for years, although I shot daily, now I'm able to practice daily, and once again love doing it just as much as when I first started shooting many years ago. DK.
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Though Rick may look like he has a static release it really isn't. Terri refered to Rod Jenkins release as dynamic even though Rod anchored and aligned before releasing. I have the same release. When I release I just relax my hand but I never really stop pulling with my muscle between my shoulder blades. I do however pause at anchor for sight aligment and site picture.
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cjgregory: I'm not sure of the termonology, when you say static realese, is that dynamic (pulling all the way through the shot) or a dead release?
When I say a dynamic release will not work for me, it is because, my mind always wanted me to release early, the more I would snap shoot, the earlier I would release, and on and on, a constant struggle to get to my anchor. So when I would try the never stop pulling method, ie using my tightening my shouler blades as my draw was nearing its conclusion, my mind was saying RELEASE...RELEASE...RELEASE, and thus I would get drug back into snap shooting or a premature release before hitting my anchor spot.
Once I went to a dead release, and how I came to do that is a whole different discussion (as you can see I tend to be long winded anyway! ) But I do use a few different tricks to help me hold at anchor for as long as I want to, I alter these tricks to keep my subconsious guessing if that makes sense and I have become very good at it, and love the fact that I am in control of my shot.
One last thought, McDave posted in the past few weeks on a thread about TP, anytime he posts anything I am reading and re-reading it, I don't know him, but he has alot of great ideas, anyway he talked a bit about a new method he has been trying, I don't want to put words in anyones mouth, but he called it something like the 'slide' method and said he tried it recently at a shoot where he tends to have more trouble then while just practicing. Anyway it goes something like this, he comes to full draw, then will let down a very tiny bit, not ever leaving his anchor, then back to full draw, and back and forth a few times until he looses the arrow, his mind not knowing when exactly that moment will take place, which again is a method that I would call, tricking my mind, anyway I have been playing with this also, putting it in my (bag of tricks) to again, trick my mind, and it works very well. I hope I did not mistate anything McDave meant, and if I did, I apologize in advance.
I know discussions like this have to drive guys that have a perfect release completly NUTS, because it throws all thoughts of perfect form and a text book release out the window, but hey, when deer season roles around and anyone who has had severe TP problems in the past is able to learn methods to over come the TP and send an arrow through an animals vitals, I say lets discuss Target Panic to death! DK.
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Well DK, I thought I was using a dead release. LIke you I like to settle into my shot after anchoring. Much more effective for me.
Then I watched the Rod Jenkins video and that's what he is doing as well as you and I and Rick. Terri says this is a Dynamic Release. I guess I would have to see a Dead release now. lol
I'm with you as far as the benifits I see to how we are doing it.
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Do what ever works best for you. If you need a dead release to prevent target panic and make you a better shot, by all means use a dead release.
-------------------- Mr Terry.....will you turn on the crickets for me - Cade Cabrera Posts: 24187 | From: GAWGIA | Registered: Mar 2003
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quote:Originally posted by cjgregory: Though Rick may look like he has a static release it really isn't.
I must be missing something here. Can you please elaborate a little bit on how Rick Welch doesn't have a static release ???
He most definately doesn't "pull through" his shots as in a dynamic release......so what do you call that kind of a relase ??? I'm confused
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I am a little confused myself. LOL I probably shouldn't be. i will just shoot as I am.
Go back to the last page and reread it.
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Rod says his release is dynamic as well....I was just stating what Rod has said to me AND posted here before.
He posted here that he was shooting dymanic just like me....only MUCH slower.
Again, he explains it on his 'Tip' portion of his site.
I don't know anything about Rick Welch's shot so I can't comment on that. But, I loved his hog hunting videos from a few years ago.
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A dead release is like stopping the baseball bat as soon as you touch the baseball, or racket, or club, etc. Your body has to set into all kinds of shot impacting processes to stop the archery swing.
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I thought I knew where I was, but now - looking at Rod Jenkins - I ain't so sure. He's stopped dead for a good four seconds and then pulls his hand away from the string. I pause for a half-breath-let-out or a second or two and then pull my bow elbow straight back while relaxing by hand (which goes back just a little bit as my forearm doesn't shrink any??) Maybe I'm more dynamic than I thought. When bunny hunting I'm definately dynamic as I release as a part of the draw and swing. But I still never get the tip of my thumb past my ear.
I know if I think about it too much I scatter arrows.
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quote:Originally posted by Stumpkiller: looking at Rod Jenkins - I ain't so sure. He's stopped dead for a good four seconds and then pulls his hand away from the string.
If you ask Rod.....he'll tell you he doesn't stop pulling even though it might look like it.
You can read about it on his 'tip' page once you scroll down past the hero pics.
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quote:Originally posted by Stumpkiller: I thought I knew where I was, but now - looking at Rod Jenkins - I ain't so sure. He's stopped dead for a good four seconds
Actually, I'm pulling my guts out for a good four seconds
Pulling (back tension) is a three phases afair...(1)excessing pulling to anchor (2) balanced pulling at anchor (3) increased pulling to conclusion. I think maybe where some may be getting confused is.... when the transfer to back tension occurs( 2&3), there very little rearward string movement...the rotation of the scapula caused by the Rhomboids move the draw side elbow around.
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