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The problem i am having with TP is getting to full draw....before knowing about the mantra the gremlin would scream....let go!...the string was about at my nose....the mantra keeps my mind busy for that couple of extra inches.
When i shoot at my 3 D i say...draw...the aim takes care of itself...and i say...keep pulling....keep pulling and as soon as the feather touches my nose the arrow is gone...no need to go any slower than you usually would when shooting at an animal.
-------------------- St. Huberts Rangers Mudd's Merry Men Posts: 1753 | From: Moore, Oklahoma | Registered: Nov 2003
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I've considered saying the mantra from the point that I start the straight back motion portion on the draw until I anchor and release.
Without modifying it, I still don't see how it would work for fast shooting or moving targets as demonstrated in Shultz's video. I know there is a clip online somewhere if you are not familar with it.
-------------------- I Corinthians 9 24-25 ...run in such a way so as to obtain the prize! Posts: 1197 | From: Stewartstown, Pa | Registered: Nov 2007
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This isn't the best picture but my camera quit after the first try. I took a clicker apart and used the clicking part of it on the bottom of the tab. I'm setting it off with my pinky finger and it's seems to be working great so far. Hopefully this will give some others an idea and they will post also. If everyone would post their contraptions, maybe we can come with a really good idea.
Thanks, Bill
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Whatever tab sear / clicker or other psychotrigger you come up with, please remember to keep the concentration in the movement that makes the psychotrigger go off and not the trigger itself. If you start thinking, "Man, when is this thing gonna go off?" you are not thinking about the movement that makes it go off. If that occurs, you will probably start to anticipate the psychotrigger, whatever it is.
The mantra will put the conscious mind in the muscle group that is required for that action. The psychotrigger going off should be a byproduct of your movement. For example, the tab clicker shown in the above post should go off as a byproduct of your pressing.
Good work folks, now you are thinking!!!!
-------------------- Joel Turner IRONMIND Archery Systems Masters of the Barebow 4 2x World Elk Calling Champion / Pro Division Posts: 101 | From: Eatonville WA | Registered: Jan 2006
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Thanks so much Joel. I had watched Vol IV and was trying your system and after reading your posts it has really hit home what is needed to gain full control over my shot.
In my opinion the one thing about this system that makes it work is the mantra forces you to concentrate on every shot. As soon as I nock the arrow to loose I am talking myself through everything and that allows me to ignore all the outside factors. No the test will be in front of others, that is were I find myself having trouble.
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As far as using a trigger, I prefer to use bone on bone back tension as the trigger. In your segment on the DVD you mention "keep pulling", I say "keep squeezing". This way I make sure I am in good alignment prior to starting my mantra.
-------------------- Currently intoxicated with the Emerald glow of the Northern Mist...... Posts: 1834 | From: New York - LI | Registered: Nov 2008
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The mantra is there to force concentration into the muscles you are speaking about. If "Squeezing" works for your mind, I say, GOOD WORK!!!!! Keep the concentration in the movement through the use of your mantra. Nice work sir.
JT
-------------------- Joel Turner IRONMIND Archery Systems Masters of the Barebow 4 2x World Elk Calling Champion / Pro Division Posts: 101 | From: Eatonville WA | Registered: Jan 2006
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Just thought Id post this little nugget I found reading about Navy SEAL training....seems to fit what Joel is trying to say:
Neuroscientist estimate that we say 300 to 1000 words to ourselves every waking minute. In time of stress, that internal monologue can become a high pitched shriek from your brains anxiety center, the amygdala. SEALS override these self generated fears by learning to emphasize, over and over, the positive aspect of what they are doing, says petty officer Buck, 31, a SEAL sniper. “If you need to lift more, you tell your self, “Stronger, Stronger. Stronger.’ If you need more speed you tell yourself “Faster. Faster. Faster.” Unless you train yourself to do this through repetitive practice-thousands of iterations-the negative voice will drown out the positive.
-------------------- "Take the time to take your time and enjoy the trip." Mike Bolin Posts: 974 | From: Maryland | Registered: Mar 2003
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Thanks for that input, I always find it fascinating that the mind will come up with a mantra under times of needed concentration to complete a task. It is interesting that I find when the mind does this, it will always say it more than once and in a rhythm "Stronger, Stronger, Stronger" Once I realized this phenomenon, I see it nearly everyday in some form or another. With the mantra of "Keep Pulling, Keep Pulling, Keep Pulling" you are putting the mind in certain muscles and you are giving it the rate of movement with the rhythm at which you say it!!!! Really cool stuff when you realize how connected our speech is to the conscious mind.
Take Care,
JT
-------------------- Joel Turner IRONMIND Archery Systems Masters of the Barebow 4 2x World Elk Calling Champion / Pro Division Posts: 101 | From: Eatonville WA | Registered: Jan 2006
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Clickerman, I have been mulling over something you said on your last post for several days. What do you mean by speaking the mantra with a rhythm? If this is this something that humans do naturally, I wonder if is this not also the same subconcious rhythm that occurs naturally in sports when one is playing well (ie golf, basketball, tennis, ect.)? Is this a similar controlled rhythm you are trying to achieve in archery? If done consistently, does this eventually become a sub conscious rhythm? Is this what the subconscious naturally wants to do, but if the "mechanics" are not correct, then problems occur?
I am just wondering out loud. The very best athletic endeavors often occur when the athlete is "in the zone", but it usually takes a lot intelligent work to get there.
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Clickerman, great post Shot execution should always be more important than arrow location ( funny thing is the better the shot execution, the better the location and groups. ) What is this " Tab sear" that you spoke about in your original post ? Bill
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I have to say - even though I've had the pleasaure of speaking at length with Mr. Turner over the phone, I still refer back to this thread at least several times a week to go over many of the great points made in it. This thread is awesome for those of us with TP, and considering all the TP questions and threads we get on here, I think it'd be great if it could be made into a sticky.
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When I am talking about the rhythm of the mantra, I am referring to the rate at which you are telling your muscles to move. The words of the mantra put your conscious mind in a specific muscle group and the rhythm at which the mantra is said is the rate at which the muscles will move. For example, Keep Pulling, Keep Pulling, Keep Pulling, is said in a smooth rhythm if you want your muscles to move smoothly. If the rhythm is choppy, or incremental, with gaps in between the key phrases in the mantra, ie. Keep Pulling.........Keep Pulling...........Keep Pulling, you will find that the muscles move in the same incremental fashion. Every time you say the key phrase of the mantra, you are sending the conscious mind to that muscle group. The revolving rhythm traps the conscious mind in the muscle group and does not allow it to wander because there are no gaps in the speech pattern. This is much easier to explain with verbal examples so if this explanation does not work for you, please call me so I can give you some better examples.
Thanks for the question. This thread is made to get people thinking about what is going through their head during a shot.
Take Care,
JT
-------------------- Joel Turner IRONMIND Archery Systems Masters of the Barebow 4 2x World Elk Calling Champion / Pro Division Posts: 101 | From: Eatonville WA | Registered: Jan 2006
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