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You are in the right frame of mind, politically and morally Sam.
The problem is definition.
How something is defined makes it a right, a priviledge, a misdemeanor, a felony, etc..........
Be advised, when it come to anything involving a tool that can be defined as a weapon, government is against it. The folks over in the UK know this all too well. Tools/weapons in the general populations hands' is not popular with government-because armed folks are harder to control. So be it sport shooting, hunting, swords, hatchet throwing........whatever. A government is against that-or is steadily headed towards being against it. This is often sold to us under the guise of safety or being a "more civilized society".
Franklin had several quotes-about governments rights in regulation of rights. They are to the principal of government what the Proverbs were to the Bible in most cases.
Be afraid of any government that is afraid of you being armed.
God bless,
Farmer
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I'm no preacher and I miss my fair share of church but I believe man has had a way of screwing up a lot of good things. One of those is the rights granted by God. Genesis 1:26-28 - From creation man was given dominion over all animals. As far as privileges those that govern me have the privilege to do so and can be removed by a well educated group of hunters who hold their rights sacred. Emotion governs everything if it is no longer part of your discussion your dead.
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I think that I have the right to feed my family. I really don't care what the law says. If my family is hungry, I will feed them.
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Control resources - food, water, shelter, access to information - and you control the lives of those who depend on those resources. That's slavery, pure and simple.
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quote:Originally posted by NorthernCaliforniaHunter: Control resources - food, water, shelter, access to information - and you control the lives of those who depend on those resources. That's slavery, pure and simple.
It's called "Hydraulic Despotism". Read all the "Dune" saga by Frank Herbert. He who controls the spice, controls the universe.
Basically, pick any essential that people need and control who gets it and how much in order to manipulate said people and you have "Hydraulic Despotism".
Once again, it comes back to who has the might.
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Hydraulic Despotism hmm He who health care, the banks, the irs, the fed, auto industry, energy the military the spice, controls the universe. Why does that sound so familiar.
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This is a great thread. I believe hunting is a right. I also believe it is my right to pick blackberries, apples, acorns, walnuts, and mushrooms that are not on private property. Just because a supermarket exists does not negate those rights.
Where we got waylaid is when it came to pass that we had to beseech the government to exercise rights that we have had from the beginnings of our species. The discovery of spearpoints in Cro-Magnon caves tells us our species has always had personal arms. And also hunted. Therefore, where we're being cheated is that it is supposed these rights descend from the hand of the government or even from the Bill of Rights. These rights always existed. Our most ancient ancestors fought their way up the food chain and secured them. Not some flaccid bureaucrat wtih a bad combover.
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I also believe its a right. I do beleive in proper managment of animals, just so there will always be animals to hunt. I always obey the laws of the land because thats what God says to do. But hunting is a right and not a privilege like some states like to think.
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It is my right to hunt. And as long as the government does not cross God's word, I will continue to obey its laws but when the Government crosses God that is when I cross the government. They is probably considered a terrorist statement by the government but so be it.
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Nay, in all things we are more than conquerors though Him that loved us. Romans 8:37 Posts: 400 | From: Emerson Arkansas, but originally from Sikeston Mo | Registered: May 2008
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This is not a government of Gods word. This is not a Christian country; this is a country with a lot of Christians; but a lot of other religions too. This discussion is about the right to hunt versus the privilege to hunt. We are a country that values rights. Not all rights are enumerated. 'We hold these truths to be self evident; that all men are created equal; and that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights- and among these- are life; liberty; and the pursuit of happiness.'
I feel hunting falls under liberty; and the pursuit of happiness; and it is my life.
~'some people hunt because its what they do- some people hunt because its what they are'- and for me; it is: what I am ~
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The banks have created many times the amount of money as there is assets in the world. Look at what Arnold is trying to pull off in California, an end run around the global warming scam, so that the control and taxes can still be put into place. There are big dollars going toward the claiming of massive water rights, to the point that it can be illegal for you to dig a well on your own land. If the power brokers can pull scams like this off with no one stopping them, they can snap up our hunting rights as well. they will just hire Blackwater security forces to act as game wardens. Look at what is happening in Austin Texas, our rights are under attack, we have to WAKE-UP.
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Pavan, you need to read "Army of the Republic" by Stuart Archer Cohen. I am serious. Get this book. It's fiction, but I've never read a book as relevant to what's going on today.
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It is my right as a human being to hunt, If only becouse I am the top of the food chain. There is not such thing as a mighty goverment. we only let them think this, until we are fed up with the crap they are dishing out. The power is in the people. No man has any power over me, other than what I let him. I have the ability to over rule him at any time, this power was given to me by my god, and winchester! So there for I hunt becouse I want to, Not becouse they say I can.
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There is not such thing as a mighty goverment. we only let them think this, until we are fed up with the crap they are dishing out. The power is in the people. No man has any power over me, other than what I let him. I have the ability to over rule him at any time, this power was given to me by my god, and winchester! So there for I hunt becouse I want to, Not becouse they say I can.
