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The latest news from the "Great" DEC here in NY...Need to act now. Letters to all NY Officials and Governor voicing our disapproval. Here is the verbage from NYB News letter:
Southern Zone Season Structure:
* open the archery-only season on October 1st,
* create a 3 day youth firearm season on the Columbus Day holiday weekend followed immediately by,
* a 4 day muzzleloading/bow season for antlerless deer only (including bowhunters),
* bow-only season continues through the 3rd Friday in November,
* open the regular season on the 3rd Saturday in November for 23 days (current season structure),
* a 9 day combined bow/muzzleloading season after the regular season (current season structure).
If this DEC plan is implemented, bowhunters in 2012 will only have a 5 days of uninterrupted archery-only hunting season. After the deer drives start and the guns start going off, the deer will go running, including the mature bucks that will head to their safe hiding spots until the woods calm down in late December.
The archery-only season you enjoy now will cease to exist.
Northern Zone Season Structure:
* open the archery-only season on September 27th,
* 3 day youth firearms hunt on Columbus Day holiday weekend,
* bow-only season thru the next to last Friday in October (gain 4 days with no additional weekend opportunity),
* 7 day muzzleloading/bow season (moved back one week),
* regular season opens on the last Saturday in October thru the 2nd Sunday in December (moved back one week),
* 7 day muzzleloading with bow hunting included in season.
Additional proposals:
* The DEC can modify the bow and muzzleloading seasons as it sees fit, resulting in unpredictable season structures.
* Make additional portions of the bow season, in selected areas, antlerless only (no bucks).
* Allow for the use of crossbows in ALL the hunting seasons (legislation required).
* Open a youth-only firearms hunt during the 1st weekend of the Suffolk County January firearms season.
Proposed Tag/Permit Structure - FOR THE ENTIRE STATE
* eliminate all antlerless & either sex tags, therefore no tags will be issued with bow or muzzleloading licenses,
* antlerless deer can ONLY be taken with deer management permits (DMPs) in selected areas,
* the ONLY deer carcass tag that you will receive will be ONE buck tag with your big game hunting license. Once a buck is harvested it’s your only one and you’re done. In areas with no DMPs, or a DMP is not secured via the lottery, hunters can only harvest one antlered (buck) deer. Therefore if a buck is taken during the early bow season, the regular season and muzzleloading licenses that were purchased are useless,
* expand the antler restriction (3 antler points on one side) program in the Catskill region
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If this passes, the best you can do is find locations that have always been for the most part Archery Only. They are out there but slim pickings. Stupid question but why couldnt they have the youth gun during gun season. But the most alarming one is the combination muzzleloader and bow season. Hate to say it but someone is going to get shot.
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And maybe that is what they want.....great way to prove that hunting is dangerous and needs to be abolished.
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In general, I think it sucks! Most legislators, I would bet, don't know what a muzzleloader is. Would you still be able to harvest does during bow season?(and not just the 4 day muzzle/bow antlerless hunt). I do like the Oct 1 opener, even earlier would be good. Do you think the three day youth season would spoil bow season?(not being facetious). The places I hunt in Western NY would see very few youth hunters that weekend(that wouldn't already be bowhunting).
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I'm all for pushing our youth into the wilderness to learn the necessary skills of survival. However, the introduction of a 4 day muzzleloader hunt as well as the proposal to remove the separate tags that we recieve when purchasing an archery or muzzleloader permit is just rediculous. The need to increase the hunting community numbers is understood, but why not add to the archery season not take away! Perhaps one day the stick and string will be understood and looked upon as a select few individuals who enjoy the simplicities of our primative equipment and our embrace with mother nature.
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Just a thought.... If we have to have guns going off during bow season for our youth then why not have it only open where there are nuisance permits being handed out? At least that way bow hunters can avoid those areas during that time. Plus the deer population is high in those areas so success rates for the kids should be high. Overpopulation could be helped & bow hunters can know where to go to avoid gun spooked deer. Why not even have the youth hunt in early September for only nuisance permit areas? Will give the deer time to settle down & save crop damage. Just thinking out loud.
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Firearms already go off during the bow season from small game hunting. BUT..., the whole reason why bowhunters lost a rut weekend and up to 10 calendar days from the bow season was to have a Saturday Firearms opening day so the kids can hunt without losing a school day. As a side note, the Saturday opener was for a supposed 2% increase in hunter participation also. This is a systematic plan by the DEC to decimate the bow season, and then the firearms season as well. Every hunter, not just bowhunters, need to open their eyes, wake up, and realize what is going on. Pay more, get less, lose more days afield, share seasons, overlap seasons, one buck, reduced DMAPS, etc... Very ugly, and 100% not based upon one shred of scientific data.
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dont know what to think about this? I know many guys who shoot too many deer every year just cuz they can & always question weather the deer are used. I know that you only got one tag when I was a kid & had to get 3 hunters together for a party permit. Also now many guys using other guys tags. I remember my second archery season when I shot a small doe during archery & sat out firearms season because we didnt draw a party permit & didnt feel as though I lost out. I know something in this state must change because the system is broken, just not sure it should be this drastic? I dont mind at all the 1 buck limit but believe we should get a bow muzzleloader tag to harvest a doe. I couldnt find this on the dec website. Mike
-------------------- Big Mike Posts: 303 | From: Wingdale, NY | Registered: Jul 2006
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I ONLY BOW HUNT and its been a while since I've got a deer.If this happens my odds will be even slimer.Who can I write to voice my opinion?
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I did some checking & the buck only thing is only in areas where they dont issue DMP permits. Like the Adirondacks, you also net more bow hunting days & earlier when bucks can be patterned. Remember years ago you could shoot a doe on your buck tag during archery season. I think you will get a reg season & special season tag? Then you may draw a DMP. You will get one less tag for sure. I will keep my eye on this to see if anyone can clarify. Just trying to understand for sure. Mike
-------------------- Big Mike Posts: 303 | From: Wingdale, NY | Registered: Jul 2006
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quote:Originally posted by joe skipp: Southern Zone Season Structure:
* open the archery-only season on October 1st,
* create a 3 day youth firearm season on the Columbus Day holiday weekend followed immediately by,
* a 4 day muzzleloading/bow season for antlerless deer only (including bowhunters),
* bow-only season continues through the 3rd Friday in November,
* open the regular season on the 3rd Saturday in November for 23 days (current season structure),
* a 9 day combined bow/muzzleloading season after the regular season (current season structure).
If this DEC plan is implemented, bowhunters in 2012 will only have a 5 days of uninterrupted archery-only hunting season.
What Am I missing? October 1st to the third week of November is 49 days. Less three for youth and four for muzzleloader is 42 days of archery only. Not five? They're giving us two weeks and taking one back - but we can still bowhunt even though it's shared. We're still ahead one week archery only.
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Deer will certainly act different after a week long gun season, not your typical archery season once the guns go bang. Happens up north here during the shared week, I can only imagine it will be even worse in the southern zone, especially the state land hunter.
The DEC is not giving bowhunters anything regarding extra time. This is at best replacing the time lost back in 2005 where we lost up to 10 days when they moved to the Saturday opener. Vermont recently vetoed a gun season in the middle of archery season, hopefully this will die too.
no - there are areas that you are not guarenteed a DMP as well, such as in 6K, where I am. Typically get a DMP every 2nd, sometimes every 3rd year. Short season, bucks only if you don't draw a tag, more or less makes the archery tag worthless when a working guy has maybe 6 weekend days to hunt....Night as well take a camera and enjoy the woods, save yourself some money...
Posts: 243 | From: Formerly of Boonville, NY, now Winston-Salem, NC | Registered: Oct 2003
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