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Al Dente
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NYS Governor Cuomo has decided to include language within the Budget Bills that would give the DEC regulatory authority to place the crossbow where it chooses. We all know that means full inclusion encompassing the archery season and archery-only areas. This is his lame attempt to gain back the trust of the sportsmen and women of NYS after the SAFE Act was rammed down our throats.

Because the crossbow has been kept out of the archery seasons due to the wisdom of Assemblyman Sweeney as the EnCon Committee Chairman, this is a back door attempt to sneak it in.

Any polls that were done, were done without a majority of bowhunters included. Mainly firearms hunters, just as the make up of many of the County Federations. Just as was proven recently by the PGC, who went to full-inclusion 4 years ago, 37,000 crossbow licenses were sold, but to firearms hunters. Not new hunters, or retention hunters, as is often claimed.

The modern crossbow is a far cry from its' medieval origins, outperforming some rifles at 100 yards. It has no place in the archery season where the bowhunter must use stealth and skill to draw back his or her string in the presence of game.

Contact your State Legislators and ask this language be stricken from the Budget Bills.

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The new issue of Traditional Bowhunter has an interview by Dave Colavito of Mike Brust. Any doubt about the crossbow, just read the interview.

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What are the odds that Sweeney will buck the leader of his state party on a big budget package?
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"The modern crossbow is a far cry from its' medieval origins, outperforming some rifles at 100 yards."

I would love to know what xbow outperforms what rifles.

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Update-

Use Of Crossbows Is Step Closer For Empire State Sportsmen

March 2, 2014

By Craig Robbins
The Post-Journal

The New York State Governor has placed in his annual budget the use of crossbows in the hands of New York State Department of Conservation.

From my understanding, once the budget is passed it's use for hunting will be under the guidelines of the DEC. There is no official word from the DEC about how this will affect the upcoming season, but it's been said that its use could take affect as early as this fall.

''Hunting, fishing and outdoor recreation are an intrinsic part of New York's cultural and historical identity, and a vital component to our economy, particularly in Upstate and Western New York,'' Senator Gallivan said. ''It's foolish to deny New York's hunters, and hunters who wish to visit, the opportunity to hunt with a crossbow, many of whom are simply incapable of using a traditional or compound bow due to age or injury. This legislation will expand the sportsman community in New York and draw additional revenue into our economy.''

Gallivan's legislation has received formal support from the following organizations: The New York State Conservation Council, the New York State Farm Bureau, the New York Sportsmen's Advisory Council, the Conservation Alliance of New York, New York Shooting Sports, the New York State Deer and Elk Farmers Association, the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association, The Shooters Committee On Political Education (SCOPE), the New York Metro Chapter of Safari Club International, the Western New York Chapter of Safari Club International, the Adirondack / Catskill Chapter of Safari Club International, the New York/Tri-State Chapter of Safari Club International and dozens of other community hunting organizations and wildlife federations

''No issue looms larger for the sporting community than crossbow,'' Gallivan said. ''For years crossbow enthusiasts have been forced to travel, spend their time and spend their money in any one of New York's neighboring states that already allow crossbow hunting. I have solicited the opinions and the input from dozens of hunting organizations and the overwhelming majority have indicated their desire to see crossbow hunting allowed in New York. It's time to deliver.''

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Mojostick
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Another update-

Crossbows for hunting could be legal by fall -- provided Cuomo's budget passes

http://blog.syracuse.com/outdoors/2014/02/crossbows_for_hunting_could_be_legal_by_next_fall_--_provided_the_governors_budg.html

February 26, 2014

Joe Martens, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental Conservation, said the use of crossbows by hunters in this state could be legal by this fall -- provided Gov. Andrew Cuomo's budget is passed by the state Legislature.

"It's got to pass," said Martens, speaking Wednesday before the Syracuse Media Group Editorial Board.

Cuomo placed language in his spending plan that would give the DEC the authority to develop regulations governing crossbow use in New York.

DEC officials have previously said they favor crossbow use but the parameters are unclear. The DEC hasn't said whether that means allowing their use for senior and physically challenged hunters during the regular archery season, or for all hunters in all big game hunting seasons.

"We haven't thought it out yet," Martens said, noting as with every regulation change the DEC will have a public comment period to gauge public opinion.

Either way, he said, if Cuomo's proposal passes hunters will most likely be legal by this fall.

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Al Dente
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Every group mentioned is comprised mainly of firearms hunters. The exact demographic the crossbow manufacturers have been targeting.

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Well, the "become a two season hunter" marketing approach has been proven to work very well.

Having worked at Cabela's, I think what may be misunderstood is that in the "chicken or the egg" riddle, the hunters aren't reacting to crossbow manufactures targeting as much as the manufactures are reacting to consumer demand. Look at the "traditional" compound companies that are now making crossbows. That is because it doesn't take long for a company to see that there's lots of demand out there.

I too was shocked at just how much demand for crossbows was out there. However, I was pleased of how much interest there was in traditional archery too, from existing compound shooters. Lots of compound shooters seemed interested in traditional archery, but they seemed a little spooked because they think it's more involved than it actually is.

Here's the proven approach...

http://www.bowhunting.net/artman/publish/I_Remember_Papa_Bear_54/Become_a_Two-Season_Hunter_-_Chap_18.shtml

When I was first offered the position at Bonsib Advertising in Ft. Wayne, Indiana handling the Bear Archery account in 1966, something immediately caught my eye. Looking at the Bear Archery ads that the agency had already produced, I went right to the Bear address: "Rural Route One, Grayling, Michigan." What an exceptional address. It really portrayed the perfect image for an outdoors company.

But, if I were asked to name one factor, and only one, other than Fred Bear, himself, that led to the dramatic success and growth of Bear Archery from the 1960s through the 80s, it's this phrase: "Become a Two-Season Hunter."
We hammered that marketing message in our media selection, advertising theme copy, our illustrations, our films, and our publicity. Not all of our advertising actually used those words, but we certainly followed that strategy in our media placement and many of our themes.

MORE SEASON, MORE CHALLENGE

Many hunters, like Fred had done, eventually tire of shooting deer at long range. After Fred shot a 285-pound buck in 1933 that was the largest deer he ever shot with a rifle, he really wanted to get closer to his game. Many rifle hunters experience this at some point. Tom Blee, Bob Kelly and Fred discussed this marketing approach shortly before I joined the agency. Fred also mentioned the fact that many firearms hunters resented the fact that bowhunters got to be out in the woods first each fall. Tom thought of the "Become a Two-Season Hunter" line and marketing strategy. The copy stressed that one could hunt with the bow and arrow at the beginning of the fall hunting season, while the woods were quiet and the fall colors at their peak. Early in the season deer are more calm and following their normal feeding routines on game trails that they've followed the prior nine months of the year.

We put forth the idea that even if these new bowhunters did not score on a deer with their bow, they at least would become better hunters by developing short-range skills that would stand them in good stead when firearms seasons rolled around later in the hunting season. Because of the limited reach of the bow and arrow, bowhunters must develop and discover new strategies for getting as close to deer as possible before loosing an arrow.

For example, I shot the largest white-tailed buck I ever shot with my bow one day in the rain from an old logger's stump blind in the Grayling area at a distance of about 12 feet. And the deer had come even closer to me than that before he slowly walked away and turned for my best shot. The rain had held down my scent and the noise of the raindrops and accompanying wind had covered what little noise I made with my old Fred Bear magnesium handle takedown bow as I drew the arrow and shot. That's also why bowhunters wear camouflage clothing with face paint and sit in treestands or on the ground in blinds.

This "Two-Season Hunter" marketing approach helped build the number of bowhunters in America from fewer than 500,000 when Tom thought of it in the early 60s to more than 3 million annually a couple of decades later. Of course, some people drop out of bowhunting or any sport for that matter. Our old friend, Sherwood Schoch, former archery editor, Bear Archery salesman, and then with Tom Jennings the first true salesman of the new compound bows, says that he thinks that we have an annual dropout rate of about 10 percent, and that sounds reasonable. Also, his logic is that every 10 years our bowhunting population has turned over. In other words, in my estimation this would mean that over a 30-year period we've probably had a total of 6 to 9 million bowhunters take up our sport.

We also sold the nation's fish and wildlife departments on the fact that bowhunting was not only another wildlife management herd control tool with a minimum impact upon the environment, but that it also provided maximum utilization of the resource, and increased revenues in the form of bowhunting license sales.

Shown is the "Be a Two-Season Hunter" ad from Outdoor Life in 1966 that had already been prepared and was running just as I began to work for Fred. This was a major investment for Bear Archery in those days to run a full-page, four-color ad in such a mass circulation magazine directed at the current firearms hunter and bowhunting prospect. But it paid off very big for us.
To help support and promote this "Two-Season Hunter" idea out in the archery shops and sporting goods stores, Bonsib had "Two-Season Hunter" jackets made up for some of our salesmen to wear when they called on their archery shops ... half camo, half red. A real eye-catcher and conversation starter. This campaign, of course, was also supported by dealer versions of the "Two-Season Hunter" ads and point-of-purchase materials.

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Looks like the April 1 deadline is looming...

http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2014/mar/13/313_Hunting/

Hunting: Proposed budget favors crossbows

Thursday, March 13, 2014


Ed Noonan

With the April 1 deadline for finalizing the state’s 2014-2015 Executive budget approaching, sportsmen/hunters are hoping the Environmental Energy section that gives the Department of Environmental Conservation authority to regulate crossbow hunting will pass.

This will be a big plus for those of us who have been pro-crossbow hunting in New York state for several decades. We were close last January, when the crossbow bill was passed in the Senate, but then got tabled in the Assembly by Robert Sweeney, chairman of the Environmental Committee. With the crossbow hunting issue attached to the Executive budget, it will get voted on.

In an effort to find out DEC’s thoughts on crossbow hunting, I checked out "DEC Management Plan for Whitetail Deer in New York State 2012-2016." Here's what it says on pages 53-54 under "Crossbow use by hunters in New York."

"DEC supports the use of crossbows for hunting during all seasons in which other bowhunting equipment is allowed. The crossbow hunting law enacted in 2010 does not address deer management needs, nor is it consistent with hunter preferences. Deer populations in some portions of the state, particularly where access of firearms use is restricted, may cause serious impacts on forest regeneration, biodiversity protection, and public health.

“Crossbows are one additional tool to help DEC manage deer population. Furthermore, allowing crossbows to be used by hunters with physical disabilities as well as family members with whom they enjoy spending their outdoor experience and allow them to continue hunting. This is consistent with DEC’s interests in connecting New Yorkers with nature."

Based on that support, the New York Bowhunters organization should correct its website that states the New York Conservation Officers Association is "being neutral" on this issue.

The plan continues, "A majority of New York deer hunters (including a majority of bowhunters) support legalization of crossbows, particularly for seniors (68 percent) and hunters with disabilities (78 percent), but also for all hunters during seasons when other bowhunting equipment is allowed (51 percent), whereas only 19 percent of hunters believe crossbow use should be limited to the regular firearms season."

The NY Bowhunter website says the 1995 DEC/Cornell University survey determined that "hunters generally do not support the use of the crossbow." When deer hunters were asked if they were in support of the use of crossbows during the regular firearms season, three-quarters of the respondents said their satisfaction would change.

Of those, 68.2 percent said their satisfaction would decrease if the crossbow was allowed, and most of the hunters (87.1 percent) said their satisfaction would greatly be decreased. Obviously, these figures are out of date, and they should be corrected.

As someone who has had shooting a whitetail deer and a turkey in New York state with a crossbow at the top of my bucket list for 20 years, I'm excited about what could happen if the crossbow section in the Executive budget is passed just as it was originally written. It's definitely possible that I (we) could be sitting in a tree stand Oct. 1 with a crossbow, awaiting a deer or a turkey.

Hunters, this is the closest we've ever been to getting all-seasons crossbow hunting. Let’s not drop the ball. Get on the phone or email your state legislative representatives and tell them to pass the crossbow section of the budget as it was originally written.

I'm sure those of us who have been in favor of crossbow hunting in all seasons are tired of arguing and being at odds with the NY Bowhunters. Aren’t we all "hunters" and isn’t it time to join together as hunters?

Let’s end this foolish disagreement. We have enough problems with the anti-hunters who are thriving on our division. There's plenty of room in the woods for all of us.

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Unfortunately this was signed into law on 3/31 as part of the budget bill. As I understand it use of the crossbow will be allowed during gun season and part of bow season except for Westchester and Suffolk counties.
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quote:
Originally posted by Al Dente:


The modern crossbow is a far cry from its' medieval origins, outperforming some rifles at 100 yards.

You don't really believe this do you?I understand being passionate about an issue but don't spread lies and misinformation.
I know that we as hunters sure get our panties in a bunch when the anti's do it.

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It’s Official April 1, 2014

Late Monday night, the Senate and Assembly both passed the Budget and this morning Governor Cuomo signed it into law.

Thus, crossbows are now officially a legal hunting implement in New York!


The crossbow will now be turned over to the DEC to work on setting the regulations within the parameters set forth in the budget. The process will include a Public Comment period where all NY’ers will have the ability to voice their opinions on the use and seasons.

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It'd be interesting to see the back room dealings that exempted Long Island. Wasn't the holdout assemblyman from Long Island? I wonder if there was consideration given or if there was some type of quid pro quo to protect that assemblyman? Perhaps he had a huge donor on LI that donated on the basis that crossbows never be allowed and he had to make LI the carve out in order to go along? Hmmm.
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I am more interested in the back room dealings that allowed it in. Follow the Kool Aid trail.....

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I am more interested in the back room dealings that allowed it in. Follow the Kool Aid trail.....

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