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leftyfred
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In the new Missouri Conservationist I received yesterday, the Dept of Conservation released this in it's new whitetail management strategy. "In an effort to increase participation, recruit younger hunters, retain older hunters, and provide an additional tool for urban deer management, we are considering expanding the archery season to include crossbows." In my opinion, this is a horrible decision for the state of Missouri. The deer are not going to be subject to any movement preceeding a shot, nor be immune to a shot of 70 yards or more. I am very disappointed in this decision, and plan on attending a meeting in the Springfield area on June 17th to voice my complaint. Anyone else concerned, take a look at you conservationist to determine a meeting date in your area. Mike

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D.J. Carr
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They've already done this in Pennsylvania. I'm torn on the issue myself.

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L82HUNT
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If it brings younger hunters I'm for it. The real question what will it do to the deer heard? Not much. Maybe a few thousand more deer. I would trade that for all the extra rifle seasons we have
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We have been having crossbows in Louisiana for a few years now (anybody can shoot them in archery season) and they do not kill any more deer than compound bows do. You would think they would but they don't.

X-bow users VERY SOON learn that they have no more lethality than a compound bow. In other words "if you can't kill it with a compound, you can't kill it with an x-bow". They are however more accurate for a person who doesn't practice shooting enough, so I say fewer wounded deer is a good thing.

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They keep doing stuff like that in Louisiana.Crossbows,muzzel loaders with scope or almost modern bullets.It is all about selling more licenses for more revenue.Our state is broke and probably a bunch of others.Kip
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No big deal, they have no more range than a compound and the biggest change I've seen since IN has opened it up is kids using them. I'd rather have new blood in hunting than not involved at all. I know 1 teen girl that won't hunt with anything else. Doesn't like shooting guns but will take her Xbow out during archery and firearms seasons. I don't really care for them, but to each his/her own.

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leftyfred
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I respectfully disagree with using a crossbow to bring younger hunters to the sport of archery. If a crossbow is an attractant to a younger hunter to harvest an animal, that is ok, just don't call it archery. We have so many instant gratification avenues for kids, how about trying something that takes some effort? My sons have shot bows for years and never had the privilege of hunting until mature. If an inner city kid wants to hunt lawn deer with a crossbow, do it in gun season where triggers are allowed. I refuse to accept easier methods to harvest a clever, super intelligent animal to pacify a new group of kids that already sit on their butts and only use their thumbs on a screen. If they want to bowhunt, parents mentor them, teach them archery, discipline, and respect for their prey. If they fall in love with the sport, great. If it is too much effort, they would be most likely to give up on a difficult blood trail in 15 minutes. Is that who we want with an archery tag in their pocket? Mike

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AL did it several years ago as well. I was living there when it came in. I was more scared of the nut cases that thought they could drop one in it's tracks at 100yds. Can't say if anyone ever got hurt, but it sure made me stick close to home that first year.

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I'm pretty sure lots of guys have been shooting deer with crossbows already, guess they've decided to go ahead & make it legal. I can only think of the movie phrase, show me the money! Hunting has become big business, look at all the goodies on the market. Electric huntin buggies that cost more than a truck, $400 camera systems, $600 camo outfits, it goes on & on. I admit sometimes I do get a little jealous when I see some of the neater stuff & know I can't afford it. Then I stop & realize the real reason I'm in the woods. I can have just as much if not more fun in the woods without it.
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& NO I'm not in favor of crossguns in BOW season.
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DennyK
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Mike- Welcome to Michigan. We have trigger devices in the woods from Sept-January. Pitiful!

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I'm with you, John. This whole argument of recruiting young hunters is a pile of horse hockey. What a bunch of hypocrites! They say that using an device that's "easier" or has a flatter learning curve will recruit more kids. Yet they also say we need to tell our youth that anything worth having is worth working for. Well, which is it?

If we want to make everything easier to recruit more youth participation, why don't we lower basketball goals to 6 feet so everyone can dunk or shorten a football field to 50 yards so Little Johnny doesn't have so far to run.

Give me a freaking break!

Darren

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Mike I agree with you 100%. If a person young or old isn't willing to put forth the effort required to shoot a compound accurately(which isn't much) then they don't deserve the PRIVILEGE of participating in the ARCHERY season.
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Archery season used to mean you were a dedicated hunter willing to give up the extra range of a gun and work harder and practice for that coveted close shot.
Now it is just about how lazy can you be and still get to hunt in archery season.
And I'm all about taking kids hunting as I did it a lot with mine and some others. But a 7 or 8 year old kid doesn't need to be shooting deer at that age. They need to be learning what hunting is about instead of being gratified by using a crossbow. When they can pull a bow of decent weight and prove they're ready mentally, let them hunt.

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Instant gratification will cause more harm than good,hope that Missouri doesn't allow crossbow for general use in the archery season.
Youth need to be at some time told they will have to wait or earn it!!

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