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Al Dente
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Gearing up for next year, what I feel is a bigger threat is the Crosman/Benjamin Airbow. There are other manufacturers and in Europe, they have been a huge success. This is an implement that can shoot bullets or bolts, and is touted by their Reps as a great crossover choice for firearms hunters who want to shoot archery. It has interchangeable barrels to go from bullets to bolts. What is stopping a poacher from shooting a game animal with a big bore .45 caliber barrel, then switching to the bolt barrel and shooting a bolt into the dead animal in the exact spot as the bullet's entry? They are whisper quiet, and can shoot between 6 and 8 rounds without a loss of power. Stay tuned. You know they are looking right at the archery seasons and archery only areas for this to be placed.

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Cyclic-Rivers
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Al, We can continue to fight or just change our mission to allow hunting year round night and day with whatever weapon we choose?

I am not sure what NY's motive is? what would the benefit to the state be if they allow these weapons in the archery season? They may claim higher deer harvests, or maybe to get more people involved in the sport? Although those arguments seem OK on the surface, Other states have proven them to be ineffective. Hunter numbers are still dropping and the annual deer take was still consistent.

I just do not see any financial or otherwise, benefit unless there are dirty offers under the table or these guys have no Idea what they are doing and are solely acting in a manner that they think might be best.

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Al Dente
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Charlie, it's funny you mention that. About 4 years ago when I and several other NYB Officers met with the Commissioner, Chief Biologist, and several other DEC officials, I said something similar to the room. We went in and slammed them with videos, collected data, injuries, deaths, poaching incidents, all attributed to the crossbow. At one point, we just asked them all flat out why they are so persistent on putting the crossbow into the archery season. "We want more deer dead" was their answer. My reply was this: "Why don't YOU (the DEC) just end all special seasons. Open the hunting season on September 1st, anywhere, any time, any implement. When YOU feel WE(the hunters) killed enough deer, close the season until next year." IT was truly a "pin drop" moment. They were not expecting that at all.
We are all hoping that the DEC will come around and define what they expect hunters in general to do. WE just need to be vigilant to stopping the crossbow or ANY other superior implement being place into the archery seasons and archery only areas.

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Cyclic-Rivers
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Al, I think it was a good suggestion but it begs the larger question which they were not prepared to answer.

Their "War on Deer" is not actually what they are after. I believe it's a ploy to raise more funds to waste.

But if they are after more funds, then why do they do away with programs such as the Sportsman's license? It cost them millions....

That is precisely why I believe they are not out to raise funds for the state and a few are generating funds for personal bank rolls.

It comes back to the question, "What benefit will crossbows bring the state?"

Until they can come up with a plan that is outlined and makes sense, I will be against the crossbow.

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Al Dente
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They were totally unprepared to answer that question. They did not expect that or have to go into defensive mode. I think they did not know what they really wanted, but just see the archery season as something to toy around with. Although it is the ONLY faction within license sales that has been steadily increasing for over a decade, they still had chosen to anger, upset, and threaten bowhunters with inclusion of superior implements and special hunting opportunities within the sanctity of the archery season. We shall see what transpires in the future.

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The Airbow video clip I saw this past winter the contraption was very noisy !!!

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I had thought, for most of my adult life and 22 years of state wildlife agency employment, that most bowhunters opposed the crossbow. My opposition of the device had been vehement because of my perception. In fact, in the 1980's I evaluated a NJ crossbow study for the Indiana Dept. of Natural Resources and we opposed it then.

Then about 12 years ago we did a deer hunter survey in Kentucky (KDFWR). The survey was about much more than the crossbow but we added a couple of attitudinal questions.

We found:
- about 20% of bowhunters were against the crossbow
- about 20% were in favor of the crossbow'
- about 60% didn't care one way or the other.

It was a paradigm changing moment for me. I had been in the minority and didn't realize it.

The crossbow has been legal for most of the archery season in Kentucky now for about 10 years (not allowed the first month of bow season in September (we open 1st Sept. Saturday). I hunt tightly controlled private land. I can say my bowhunting has been impacted zero by the crossbow.

I still don't consider it "bowhunting". But, I have a best friend (cancer survivor) and brother (shoulder injury) that would not be hunting except in 16-day gun seasons if not for the crossbow. However, both these guys could have obtained crossbow exemptions before the law was expanded anyway.

My biggest objection to the crossbow these days is how it was "sold" to the FW agencies and those who made it more widely legal. They said deer harvest would grow and that older folks and youth would be encouraged by the crossbow. Deer harvest simply shifts as some firearms hunters expand their season and some compound folks added the crossbow or replaced their compound with the compound.

The crossbow isn't a safe device for youth unless a mentor is sitting beside the young hunter, just like (or more so) with a rifle.

The season expansion does give the parent some warmer weather days to introduce their kids to hunting. The crossbow also makes it easier (no exemption paperwork or doctor's visits) for the injured older archer to stay or return to the field.

Our season length and bag limits are not threatened by the crossbow.

In may opinion the worst outcome of the crossbow debate in Ky was the damage it did to the United Bowhunters of Kentucky of which I'm a life member (honorary). The organization has barely half the membership it had before the crossbow debate.

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Bwhntr247
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I don't even know where to start on NY messed up seasons. I feel that rifle season is too long and should be shorter. Same start date an end the following Sunday, total of nine days.
I feel they should still run muzzleloader to the the 3rd Tues in December and they could allow crossbows in any of those two seasons. They should not be allowed during regular archery season except for medical reasons.
I don't feel that legalizing them at any time would change how a poacher or someone who doesn't abide by the law would use them or the new arrow-gun thingy. I'm all for hunting with whatever you choose but everything has its place. Just my 2¢.

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