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Trenton G.
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Voted.

It sure is sad to see all of these anti hunting movements. I'm worried that by the time I'm actually old enough to afford to go on some of these hunts, there won't be any hunts left to go on.

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Michael Arnette
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quote:
Originally posted by Trenton G.:
Voted.

It sure is sad to see all of these anti hunting movements. I'm worried that by the time I'm actually old enough to afford to go on some of these hunts, there won't be any hunts left to go on.

Me too!
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Michael Arnette
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We lowered our loss by 2 points!
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This is appealing to sentiment and feeling not knowledge. voted

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"Polls" and "studies" are very discriminatory in my mind. I dealt with this in my work for years. As was pointed out, one single word can bias the whole thing Where the poll is done and who is targeted will bias the whole thing.

You will get the answer you want if you design it, word it, or market it correctly..... and they do.

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Voted

hate liberal media

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Personally, I'd rather see a trophy hunter killed by a grizzly than a grizzly killed by a trophy hunter. At least the grizz will eat what he kills.

But don't worry -- I abstain from this vote. The link gave me a poll about hunting in Canada. Far be it from me to tell another country what they should do within their own borders.

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Done! Man, who leaves the meat?! Bear jerky YUMMMM! Grilled Bear! Bear with brown gravy! Ohh I'm getting hungry...

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Trenton G.
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quote:
Originally posted by YosemiteSam:
Personally, I'd rather see a trophy hunter killed by a grizzly than a grizzly killed by a trophy hunter. At least the grizz will eat what he kills.

No disrespect intended here, but that mindset drives me nuts. I see it in almost every hunting related issue that comes up. "I wish the animal had killed him instead..." etc. etc.
I think that the words "trophy hunter" are used to loosely nowadays. I consider a trophy hunter to be someone who holds himself to a certain standard and sets a goal to harvest an animal only if it meets there expectations. For me, my standard is that a buck has to either have six points or be fully mature before I shoot. In that sense, I am a trophy hunter because I limit myself to what I shoot. To me, this is the real definition of trophy hunting. Traveling to B.C. and shooting a grizzly doesn't really seem that different to me. If someone goes with expectations of what they want to harvest, and they are happy with the bear that they get, that is a successful "trophy hunt". That doesn't mean that they hunted with the wrong intentions or conducted the hunt in a dishonorable way (although this could be the case), it just means that they set a standard for themselves and were content with only getting that animal or none at all.

Thats just the way I see it. It may not make sense to others I guess, but it does to me. I just think that the words trophy hunter are thrown around way to loosely, and that leads to misunderstandings of what it really is. Like I mentioned before YosemiteSam, no disrespect meant or anything.

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Done !

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Street racing isn't legal ? Voted no !

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Any animal with a bow is a trophy.....you have my vote.

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Michael Arnette
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quote:
Originally posted by YosemiteSam:
Personally, I'd rather see a trophy hunter killed by a grizzly than a grizzly killed by a trophy hunter. At least the grizz will eat what he kills.

But don't worry -- I abstain from this vote. The link gave me a poll about hunting in Canada. Far be it from me to tell another country what they should do within their own borders.

Really? Weren't you just whining in an ultra long and boring post about hunting in California where the more liberal Americans are having you compete with unchecked (and biologically unhealthy) predator numbers? With all due respect
I do not understand your logic and find it very dehumanizing. You might as well wish I and the others here where hit by a bus!

That's coming from and generally Judeo Christian point of view. I see human beings as totally different than animals, obviously you don't. But let's just take it from a point of you that is likely more similar to yours? A purely scientific point of view based on matters of evolution, natural selection, and general wildlife behavior:

It is widely known that grizzly bears seek out and kill black bears on a regular basis. They also most often don't eat their kill. The same goes for wolves killing coyotes and not eating them as well as coyotes killing foxes etc. so forth and so on. So what I'm saying is that strictly from a scientific point of view we as human beings are the apex predator and are only carrying out our natural predatory instinct to reduce competition. The difference being that we as humans are able to reason out management plans. It's a beautiful thing really! We are the piece to this incredible puzzle that will hold it all together, could it be that earth is depending on us?

If Some of the more liberal folks would get their heads out of their you what's for once they might see that humans are part of the solution. We are a part of our environment just like the grizzly bear.

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quote:
Originally posted by lablover:
This is appealing to sentiment and feeling not knowledge. voted

Knowledge of what? Are you aware of the underlying issues with underfunding of resource management in BC, and the history of poor data collection that reflects decisions not made with good science?

Are you aware of the fracturing of ecology that has resulted in diminishing grizzly compartments and poor genetic diversity?

How would you defend this hunt to a non-hunter (not an anti-hunter) if asked why it is an ethical use of resources? How you can justify shooting a grizzly for nothing more than it's skull and hide while leaving 300 plus pounds of meat to rot?

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I like street racing lol

I don't eat bears so I don't shoot them, I would have to have more information about grizzly population dynamics to vote yay or nay.

I wouldn't hesitate to kill one that was threatening me.

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