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TimberlineX
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Can anyone positively identify these broadheads?

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They're on a classy, old set of cedar arrows with self nocks and the owner/manufacturer(?)
name.

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Ron Roehrick
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Bill, the top two look like they could be 1942 Bear Special Order Zwickeys, one a four blade the other a two blade. The bottom broadhead is a Ben Pearson skeleton ferrule with six bands on each side. If those are indeed Bear special order zwickeys they are very desiable to collectors. The Ben Pearson is a common head if its has 6 bands on each side.
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Wade Phillips
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quote:
Originally posted by Ron Roehrick:
Bill, the top two look like they could be 1942 Bear Special Order Zwickeys, one a four blade the other a two blade.

Ron - The 4- Blade Special Order Zwickey has the ferrule cut from the left side.

Bill's 4-Blade has the ferrule cut from the right side and is one of the original 4-Blade Zwickeys.

These heads are...

Zwickey 4-Blade 5/16, Sloped Shoulder, page Z-7-2 ABCC #1398.000

Zwickey 2-Blade 11/32, Sloped Shoulder, page Z-6-5 ABCC #1395.000 (# shown for Z-6-3)

Ben Pearson 6x6, 1942, page B-13-3 ABCC #0172.000

Bill, if you can post a straight on photo of the 4-blade it may show it to have a full length ferrule which would make it a very rare head indeed as the one shown on page Z-7-3 has the rounded ferrule.

[ August 08, 2009, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: Wade Phillips ]

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Thanks Wade its really hard to tell with the photo at such an angle and I didnt notice the cut out on the right side.
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Wade Phillips
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Ron - It is surprising how many people do not realize the original sloped shoulder 4-blade Zwickeys have the ferrule cut out on the opposite side of the other Zwickeys.

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Per Wade's suggestion, I'll take some better photos and will post those here in the next day or so.

This sort of scenario represents one of the great things about collecting - finding something interesting and then working with other collectors and experts to figure out exactly what it is. The learning is maybe the best part.

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quote:
Originally posted by TimberlineX:

This sort of scenario represents one of the great things about collecting - finding something interesting and then working with other collectors and experts to figure out exactly what it is. The learning is maybe the best part. [/QB]

I agree 100%. Collecting and the history of archery is fascinating.

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Wade Phillips
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This photograph shows just a few of the many differences in some of the Zwickey broadheads, first produced 70 years ago...

Top Barbed Zwickey 11/32" ferrule. Left 4-Blade 11/32" Sloped Shoulder Zwickey with bleeder cut from right side of ferrule lamination.

To the right are two of Fred Bear's 1942 Special Order 4-Blade Zwickeys, one with the patent # and one without. Fred killed his 1945 World Record B&A Moose using this Special Order 4-Blade. The 4-Blade Delta was not sold until many years later. Note the Special Order heads have the bleeders cut from the left side of the ferrule, which is typical of all Zwickeys made after the head shown at left.

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Here are a couple of S.O.Z ?, the one on the left has no hole in the ferrule for pinning the head to the shaft.
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Left,Ferr. 1.82"-.395" ,Right head, 1.88"-.405"
Left_Lenght 2.45" ,Right 2.48"
Left-Blade .032" ,Right .026"
Left-146gr. ,Right 132gr.
Caliper on narrowest with of the Ferr. Lamination-Left-.444", Right-.414"
Does anyone have any SOZ like the one on the left without ferrule hole.....Hink

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[ August 07, 2009, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: JavelinaHink ]

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Hink -

Your 2-Blade Special Order with no holes goes with the 4-Blade Special Order with no holes.

How would you characterize this unsharpened 2-Blade Round Nose Zwickey ???

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Wade,
Yep..over looked that,
What's the width of the 4-bld. Ferr. Lamination.


On the Rnd nose Zwickey my first guess would be without knowing the length of it, is that all the Zwickey stamped out blades looked like before sharpening. Dies would last longer with a tip like that but none of my dies are made that way so I could be just rambling along here, what are your thoughts on it.

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Hink -

4-Blade Ferr Laminations are .426" to .428".

This is the only unsharpened old Zwickey I ever recall seeing, so have no knowledge of what Zwickeys from other years, made with other dies or altered dies, looked like.

Remember as dies wore, edges were chipped and broken, they were sharpened, repaired and altered, which resulted in some of the many different Zwickey ferrule variations that collectors recognize. The very same is true for the blade die, edges wore, were chipped and broken.

I believe that it is important to remember that both Cliff and Jack Zwickey were gifted toolmakers. As their ideas evolved, and they saw more efficient ways to make things, they had the ingenuity and talent re-work the steel to get as much life as possible out of a set of dies.

It is possible that the unsharpened blade shape changed too.

That nose may or may not have always been rounded like this one.

[ August 08, 2009, 08:59 PM: Message edited by: Wade Phillips ]

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Wade
I wonder if the old dies are still around up there in Minn. that might help answer some questions.

The center head pictured,4-Bld you have. Is there a mark under the vent cutout were maybe the die had a broken pin for the hole, looks like a half circle. Hink

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