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johnnyrazorhead
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This one is the transition era Hunter I wanted to show for comparison.The other pics I took of the tips and glass didn't download.
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John...great information. Thanks for sharing.

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Very cool bows John!!!

Okay, what's the story behind them?

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John-

Great posts.

With your two, have only seen a total of three now of the large rectangular decals that I can remember. Very nice. Would guess that Bear must have had just a small batch of these decals made as bows before & after have the smaller decal for specs.

For sure they are early in the 1949 production.

There is no evidence that a Grizzly was ever made, or even thought of before 1949… So any illusion or suggestion about any Grizzly being made in 1948, is likely nothing more than unsubstantiated speculation of an over active imagination.

I have several of the just "Bear Archery" printed on the transition bows, that were not made by Grumley. They were made after Nels left Bear.

Interesting that the script "Bear Archery" that appears on some Transition bows, is different printing than the Grizzly printing. This clearly indicates that another person printed the Grizzly after the Transition era.

Lots to learn and so little time to learn it.

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Thanks for all the info guys and for posting pictures. It really helps out guys like me that have a lot to learn.
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Nathan-

This has been an interesting thread since it began 7 years ago. We have all learned a lot as time has moved forward.

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Rick- you are very welcome.Love to share this old archery stuff.

Trap- No real story.Bows came from two different sources but similar to each other.I belive they are just very early Grizzly bows as indicated by the low serial numbers.Probably made right around the time Grumley left Bear or shortly thereafter.

Wade- I knew you would be able to add some information about these bows.

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In the last 24 hours several of these very early Grizzlies have shown up on the big auction site. Coincidence? Maybe.

One has "Grizzly" hand written just like yours John. A little higher serial number though.

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John-

Your two early 1949 Grizzly bows are the only two plus the one other now, that I remember seeing that are three digit serial numbers.

Always wondered why we had not seen numbers below 1000, but now three are known.

Thanks so much for your posts.

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I have seen 3 1956 grizzly and all 3 had a gl serial number , also would love to see some 55 to 57 grizzly limb tips and the difference between them. Why are there bunches of 55 and 57 grizzly always posted for sale but no 1956 models

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Noble,

The second post of this thread shows the difference in the tips of the 1954,1955/56,1957 on the belly side.

The difference between the 55 and 56 Grizzlys is about as insignificant as anything could possible be...

One has water transfer decals, the other has silk screens.

The 1955 & 1956 Kodiaks are also identical, except their cosmetic markings.

Same for 1955 & 1956 Kodiak Specials.

Structurally, these 1955 & 1956 bows are the same.

As collectors, we have this never ending need to put everything in a unique category by year, even when some years are the same, so we invent ways to fill every year, and begin separating bows, by their cosmetic markings.

Frankly, separating the 1955 & 1956 Kodiaks, Kodiak Specials, and Grizzly bows, is fictional, and strictly an invention of us collectors.

Unfortunately, these cosmetic markings were and are easily changed.

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Originally posted by Noblesinclair:
...Why are there bunches of 55 and 57 grizzly always posted for sale but no 1956 models

Bear produced the 1955 Grizzly for most of two production years, before switching from decals to silk screens for a brief period, then shortly after switching to silk screens, they began production of the 1957 model.

Putting a tapered wedge insert into the tip area of the laminations was a lot less work, less material, and less expense, than creating 4" underlays.

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Just posted an image of the 1964-1969 Grizzly Bows on the fist page to make this thread a little more complete.

http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=14&t=003114#000002

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Below is an image of the tips of three shall we say "assumed" very early 1949 Bear Grizzly Bows.

The word "assumed" is used because all have the very narrow tips with no overlays like the image that John posted of his very early 1949 Grizzly bows.

Two of the three bows are unmarked and the other one has both the large identification decal and hand printed "GRIZZLY", identical to what John shows on his two very early 1949 Grizzly Bows, numbers 104 & 200.

All three pictured below also have the same very early 1949 Grizzly characteristics, woven glass back, alum lam under wood belly, thin brush nocks, leather wedge shelf.

However, one was camo painted, and the other has slightly darker woven glass, (possibly it just never faded, or perhaps it was a different run of glass that was darker, not important either way, just wanted to mention the differences). A similar color difference is noticeable in one of the images that John posted on the previous page.

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The two unmarked 1949 Grizzly bows, were originally owned by Bob Meaker, the man who took over as head bowyer in 1948, when Nels Grumley left Bear to go out on his own.

Floyd Eccleston acquired the bows from Meaker, along with all of his other bows. Floyd passed away in 1999, and a few years later in the early 2000s, I acquired the two unmarked bows from Floyd's son, Rich Eccleston who then later passed away.

The point of this rambling is to make others aware that some of these very early 1949 Grizzly bows have no decals or markings at all. There is no visible evidence that either unmarked bow ever had any decal or type of marking.

Nor did either bow ever have any tip overlays put on it, which I always thought was strange, but makes more sense now that we all know the very earliest marked Grizzly bows with the large identification decals did not have tip overlays either.

I'm not much for using tip overlays or decals for identifying the date of a bow, but this particular case is a logical and very rare exception rather than the rule.

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