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Does the initial stage of building a heavy arrow start with the Broadhead or the shaft ? I'm currently shooting a 62"57@28 A&H ACS. 55# @ my 27.5" draw (looking to go heavier). The heaviest arrow I've tuned yet is cx 350,cut 28.5, 50 grain insert 200 grain point. Bareshaft wt 612gr. Haven't decided on a b/h yet.Will probably be at Least 250gr. Wondering How to proceed. Really want good FOC (Dr.Ashby thing).Any Help would be Greatly appreciated Thank's.
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You should bareshaft with the exact same weight that your broadhead will be. It's no good using a 200 gr. point then sticking a 250gr. broadhead on. A buddy of mine did that at NALS and was bitterly dissapointed because his arrows wouldn't fly well.
You should look around and ask what combination other people are shooting or use Stu's arrow calculator (available as a free download online). Look at what a few people recomend then make your own decision. I'm shocked what some people are shooting but claim to get "perfect bareshafting" so take it all with a grain of salt until you prove it to yourself.
I have a 53# ACS 50# at my draw and shoot CE heritage 250, 50 gr. insert and 250 gr. heads total arrow weight is about 650 gr. and speed out of the bow is 168fps. if I remember correctly. That might give you a starting point.
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Chef thank's for your reply..Well I've ordered some 190 gr grizz with 45gr. adapters and some 205 simmons safaris.I'll start there and adjust. My cx 250 is 27"(I draw 27.5) 50gr. insert 200gr.point + .75" ex ft, only weighs 566gr. (bareshaft). And is still WAAYY too weak.The most promising shaft I have is the cx Mutiny 350. It Likes lotsa weight up front. As of now it's 100gr.insert 2'ex ft (25grs.)200gr.point @29". Weight is 611gr.
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I know everyone is on the heavy bandwagon but there,s lots to be said about flatter trajectory especially with deer sized game. I'm way more confident with longer shots and a "non-heavy" arrow. I think if you keep your arrow close to 550/600 grains you have the best of everything.
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IMO, you start with the broadhead or point weight you want to shoot and work with the shaft and tuning to get your desired arrow weight.
I shoot wood so my process may be different than with carbon. I start with the broadhead I want to use, 200 gr this year, then the arrow weight I want, 570-580 grain range and arrow length. This gives me the shaft weight I need and I use this to decide the type of wood shaft to use, Surewood Fir in this case. I paper tune with my chosen bow, broadhead weight and test arrows to find the perfect spine. It's a process that works for me.
With carbons, I'd guess you could start with an arrow a little lightweight and stiff and add point weight to achieve you desired final weight range and FOC with perfect arrow flight.
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When it comes to shooting well, the arrow is more important than the bow. Posts: 4273 | From: Rochester, IL | Registered: May 2003
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take a look at the vpa broadheads...i like the 3 blade terminator but i think the newer 2 blade penetrator is now my choice...quite reasonably priced for the quality and fly very well...easy to sharpen....i shoot both the 175 and 200 grainers on easton fmj shafts for total weights between 525 and 600 grains
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Thanks for the WONDERFUL IDEAS. I'm currently in trade talks for some Tusker Concordes and Grizzlie kodiaks, both will be 250gr. B/h's.I also have received some 250gr field points. I THINK (maybe) I'm on the road... But PLEASE keep the responses coming for info. Thank's again. Dano
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If you are shooting well with 600 grains with sharp bh , everything is good. I shoot 600 grain gold tips with old bear razor heads. Nothing fancy except the arrow flight. Good luck.
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If you are shooting well with 600 grains with sharp bh , everything is good. I shoot 600 grain gold tips with old bear razor heads. Nothing fancy except the arrow flight. Good luck.
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Brently,been missing your face. Hope to see you soon.
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I have some hardwood shafts that are extremely straight. All come in 11/32 and 23/64. African Mahogany 425-510gr, Teak 360-470gr, Woven Bamboo 750-840gr (yes that is bare shaft 29") and a lighter Mahogany 315-380gr. Kevin I'll let them go for $35-50/doz.
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You didn't say how well it bare shafted with that point weight.I personally don't get dead set on a broadhead till I find the field point weight that works best.Then I choose a glue on broadhead and adapter that get me close to weight and fine tune that with lead shot if I need to.
I've learned through trial and error which spine carbon I need and order them cut to 30" length.my bows are 50-55 lbs at my 29" draw length.3 of my bows,53-55# use a Goldtip 75-97(.340 spine)black shaft,100 gr insert and 300 gr point.FOC comes in at 28%.When I built those,I used 190 El Grandes,100 gr adapters and a 10 grs of lead shot.Total arrow weight,700 grs.
I later made some for the same bows with Victory V Force HV 3 .350 shafts,same length.They take a 100 gr insert and 325 gr point.I use 200 gr Grizzlies,100 gr adaptors and lead shot to get the 325 gr weight.The Victory arrows are 32 % FOC and weigh 655 grs (lighter shaft weight).
The 32% Victorys consistently outpenetrate the 28% Gold Tips by about 15% but the Victorys aren't as tough on side slap impacts and some have broken on these bad hits.I've yet to break a Goldtip and I have made some bad hits on hard stuff with them.
I foot every arrow 1" front,1/4" rear,before I even bare shaft them.
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I've been working on a heavy, high FOC arrow for 55 and 60lb recurves, cut 3/6 past centre.
its pretty simple. if you want above 650 grains you will need to go .320 spine or heavier. GT5575s don't work with more than 220gr total up front out of 55lb bows, cut 3/6 past centre. in fact they don't even work out of a this bow (Martin Mamba) unless the strike plate is built out 1/4"
I've found I lose 10fps per 100grns, and that 100grns point weight more or less, changes spine by about 15lbs.
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