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Stickbow
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quote:
Originally posted by jhg:
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Originally posted by Frank V:
...Grand parents killed wolves for a reason.
Personally, I'd like to see them all gone.

They killed them all out of ignorance. If we can't figure out a way to manage them, its our failure.
Hating them because they have changed what we are used to is not a very good reason to wipe them out.
I'd like to think we have "evolved" enough to find a way to keep them around that balances the the various issues.

Wolves are a great animal to hate. Do some research on how/why we have chosen to hate them so much. It is pretty interesting.


Joshua

How is this for research.

http://www.tetonvalleynews.net/news/wolves-kill-sheep-near-fogg-hill/article_f79754fc-08eb-11e3-82d9-001a4bcf887a.html

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Why do people assume our ancestors were ignorant of wildlife? They experienced it first hand. Not from a book! Those wolves need to go.

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Should expect to see rises in grizzly attacks.

Grizzlies are learning to follow wolf packs and are scavenging well enough that hibernation is delayed and some are forgoing hibernation altogether.

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The wolves in my part of the world (an active pack less than 10 miles from my land/cabin)were not "stocked" or re-introduced. Then came down from British Columbia of their own free will. Nobody told them where the border was, I guess.

As far as I can tell they like the land for the same reasons that I do... deer and elk and lots of wild space to live. Frankly I'm fine with them back in the neighborhood. They should be managed from a Biologically sustainable standpoint (by non-political biologists)... tag a few and let a few hunt and reproduce and live.

Here is my way of seeing it... the forests are anything but static... they are dynamic systems where for thousands of years, populations of everything have fluctuated. I have fewer deer on my place in 2013 because the forests are much more mature than they were in the 50'/60's and 70s. But I wouldn't advocate clear-cutting all of the firs and pines for the elk and deer. Just the way it is.

Deer, elk and wolves have co-existed for thousands and thousands of years in the American West... something tells me they will do just fine together now that they are back in touch.

Wolves are here to stay... that may mean tougher hunting. Personally, I am ok with that. I didn't take up trad-archery because it was easy and I don't want our woods to be big over-managed zoo where some wild critters get a free ride and others can't exist because they don't play nice.

But that's just me. I really like my woods wild and I don't mind sharing with some big predators that kill a few deer and big trees that shade out some of their browse. [goldtooth]

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You guys advocating for wolves need to ask yourselves this question. Do you want wolves to be the hunters or do you want to be hunters. You claim to be bowhunters. You will not have any animals if this keeps up to bowhunt in the western USA. As a 40 year bowhunter in the state of Oregon I have seen our game herds go fron huge to zilch in just a few years from over predation. Not all of it wolves but a combination of new hunting laws passed by feel good people such as yourselves. They banned hunting bears with bait or dogs. They banned couger hunting with dogs by popular vote and not by sound biology . Then you add a few wolves , a poor economy upping poaching and in about 5 years you have so few animals that I fear that we will not even have a breeding population.
I hunted over a 30 x 30 mile square area in which in previous years I have seen from 50 to 300 elk and lots of deer every hunt day just recently. I saw a couple of old track, no animals at all except one small buck. I saw beautiful fields that used to have an elk track on every square foot and no tracks, no beds no droppings at all. I covered miles on foot and nothing. Its still beautiful elk habitat,. The water is there, The meadows are there . There are no other hunters at all,. There are no elk, no deer and little of anything else.
If that is what you want keep advocating for wolves.
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A healthy eco system requires not only varied species but the land and habitat to support them. Not enough room in the lower 48 to sustain a population that can coexist with their prey base.

It seems like bison and elk were at the top of their menu in the west and until there is enough land to bring back millions of free ranging bison, the wolves will have to adapt to a foreign landscape with a prey base that has been manipulated by humans for 150 years.Their prey cannot migrate hundreds of mile in a year like they once did .

I think that it is unfortunate but they were reintroduced at the wrong time and place, too late for it to make biological sense.

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I think Izzy's got it right. Wolf advocates are trying to turn back the clock on something that can't be brought back. How many subdivisions, shopping malls, air strips, etc existed in pre-settlement times? Our population was a few million versus 300 million+ and racing quickly to 400. The prey and predator species of today are unfortunately condensed into a much smaller environment as hunting lands are lost and populations grow. Competition between man and other predator's is intense and diminished prey populations are a certainty.
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They were put here for our use and we are to have dominion over them. It is arrogant of us to think we know better than Him.

There is room for the wolf but they must be managed and we can't pretend the country is uninhabited by man.

I remember in the 19080's many of my scientist peers thought the wild turkey needed 10,000 acres of contiguous forest to make a comeback. They were of course wrong.

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Thanks guys this is all great stuff! I wish these Fish and Game officials had never brought them in. That's what the greenies want though, for the wolves to do the hunting so we can't.

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No state agency is responsible, it was the USFW. The states have paid a great price.
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USFS in Montana... In Washington State they just walked in from British Columbia.

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Al Dente
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Just read a very disturbing article in Bear Hunting magazine about the wolves in Michigan. A log of bear dogs have been attacked and killed by wolves while trailing bears.

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quote:
Originally posted by Al Dente:
Just read a very disturbing article in Bear Hunting magazine about the wolves in Michigan. A log of bear dogs have been attacked and killed by wolves while trailing bears.

That's happening in Montana too.

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Wolf"Reintroduction"

A politically correct way of saying,Federally sponsored Eco Terrorism.

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quote:
Originally posted by Traxx:
Wolf"Reintroduction"

A politically correct way of saying,Federally sponsored Eco Terrorism.

If that weren't so true it'd be funny. [Mad]
Feds mess with a lot of stuff they should stay out of.

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