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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Ron LaClair on December 29, 2015, 03:55:00 PM
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First it was cell phones, then smart phones, now Drones ... things are moving too fast for this old man., what's next? :dunno:
My Son got himself a drone for Christmas and flew it for the first time today. He sent me this picture of the big hay field just south of the farm house. The woods beyond the field is one of the woodlots that I hunt. Makes me wonder, what purpose do these things have, are people going to start using them to scout for deer?..I sure hope not :(
(http://***********.bowsite.com/tf/pics/00small13169522.JPG)
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Ron, I'm sure they will use them to scout for deer. However, I think some state agencies have already made them illegal for that purpose. That's good, but enforcement wouldn't be easy.
I know one thing, if I ever see one hovering over my hunting area (or my house for that matter), I will do my hardest to shoot that sucker down.
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Its just another toy for the techy crowd.. until they mount an arrow launcher on it so you can hunt from the couch. :eek:
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I heard on the news the other day that they were one of the more popular gifts for Christmas. I didn't know my son was getting one, he surprised me when he emailed pictures but I knew right away they had to be taken with one of them flyin toys. :D
I foresee a lot of problems with them in the future...but then I said the same thing about computers when they came out.....and I was right. :biglaugh:
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Buddy of mine at work got one awhile back...and he flies it over his farm...using it as a scouting tool so to say. Not my cup of tea but to each his own.
He said he can take photos and video up to a mile away. Thing cost like $3000. I can buy alot of bows for that kind of cash. :goldtooth:
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There was an article a few weeks back where Amazon and UPS are testing the waters with them to deliver between warehouses and eventually they want to us them to make home deliveries.
I can't imagine looking up in the sky one day and seeing these things flying all over.
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Anyone who can bring down an asprin should have no problem with a drone! :D
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I know a guy who paid $5,000 for one took it out was flying it and lost it.
Bought another one and it lost it also.
He now bought a third one and decided he should read the instructions before flying it.
He's got way too much money!
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Back in my aviation days you could not hunt if you had flow in the last 24 hrs. Big fine if you got caught. If I owned a drone I would not fly it within 24 hrs of hunting whether scouting or not.
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As has already been pointed out, some folks are already using them for scouting, and some states have already made them illegal for that or any other purpose related to hunting.
One thing for sure, I'm going to get a lot more "wingshooting" in the future. :goldtooth:
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Originally posted by Orion:
As has already been pointed out, some folks are already using them for scouting, and some states have already made them illegal for that or any other purpose related to hunting.
One thing for sure, I'm going to get a lot more "wingshooting" in the future. :goldtooth:
I agree Orion. The day I bag my first trespassing drone will be a day I will look back on and smile well into my old age.
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There was just an article in the Edmonton Sun the other day quoting a gentleman who has been flying them professionally for a couple of years...one of the points he made is that a lot, probably most, of the flights being made are not legal...just some food for thought if one annoys you
DDave
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Originally posted by Possum Head:
Anyone who can bring down an asprin should have no problem with a drone! :D
Go get em Ron :archer2:
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Saw on Facebook a guy got arrested for shooting one down. It was hovering over his sunbathing daughter. I am wondering if he was arrested for discharging a firearm or shooting down the drone? If so I would make sure the camera was destroyed before owner got it back.
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I believe they can send a pic. back to you as they fly. If you want to take one down you better hide from the camera first.
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Drones, trail cameras, and 4-wheelers. Three things I can leave out of my hunting.
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The guy did not get in trouble for shooting the drone it was for shooting a shot gun in the city limits. If I knock one out of the sky I'm keeping it.
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Probably as drones become more popular there will be laws against shooting at them. Destroying an expensive piece of private property could be pretty costly I'd guess.
If Company's start using them for delivering it would be like shooting at a UPS truck when it drove by your house.
Here's another scenario, they could be used to locate lost hunters.
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They are being used in Mesa County Colorado (grand junction) for search and rescue. We have outlawed them for scouting or hunting purposes of any kind here in CO. But, there will always be outlaws.
I'm sure some of the more activist anti hunter types will try to use them to interfere with hunters or to drive game away from hunters.
Seems like fun toys but they have no place in in my outdoor activities.
Might not be wise to think that we can shoot a drone down just because it is there. It may be legally flown for a legitimate purpose.
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Folks in Deer Trail Colorado tried, unsuccessfully, to legalize shooting drones (http://time.com/46327/drone-hunting-deer-trail/) . As Ron mentioned, probably an issue with destroying private property.
homebru
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Won't be long till somebody figures out how to mount and use a gun from one. Hunting from the couch, Bah-humbug! Never tried shooting straight up YET.
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a college student mounted a semi auto pistol to one and boy did he get in trouble
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I know of one guy that literally made a fortune taking videos for real estate companies.
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Drones will be both the most useful tool and the most abused machine invented lately. They have no place in fair chase hunting, including scouting.
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i might consider useing one to help find a wounded deer, other than that....
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Originally posted by Thumper Dunker:
The guy did not get in trouble for shooting the drone it was for shooting a shot gun in the city limits. If I knock one out of the sky I'm keeping it.
Modern wing shooting. Maybe mount it and hang it up in the man cave? LOL!
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In Michigan it's illegal to use wireless communication for reporting game movement while hunting. Anyone use cell phones for texting while hunting? I have to admit I've texted my son that there was a buck heading down the ditch behind him.
How about pizza deliveries trying to break the land speed record in residential areas so we can have our hot pizza without ever walking out the door?
Every technological advance will bring abuse and miss use. I can see some injuries if they start using drones for home deliveries and certainly some illegal use of them for scouting or even herding of game. There will probably be civil and criminal charges brought for shooting them down.
It won't be the technology that causes the problem; it will be the lack of ethics and we can't really legislate that.
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I can see where it probably is, and should be, illegal to shoot one down where it is legally allowed to fly. How about where it is illegal to fly, such as in a hunting area where they have been outlawed, or snooping around my backyard?
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I'm sure there will be a lot of legal issues arising out of their use. How high does our property line extend vertically? Obviously not illegal for a plane to fly over at 30,000 feet. How about 100 feet? 10 feet? Where will we draw the line?
I think this will be where case law develops as charges are brought. Some of my modeler buds are crying because they will have to register their models - both fixed wing and rotary type with the FAA. I say "So what?" I have to register my car.
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There is hunting and there is assassination,killing at all cost,I can always go to the Grocery store if I don't feel like hunting with nothing more than stick and string and my own physical abilities and wits.Drones have a place unfortunately there's the human factor to deal with.Do we want to just find ways to kill everything,what will be left to hunt.
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Do we want to just find ways to kill everything,what will be left to hunt.
"When the deer are gone I will hunt mice for I am a hunter"
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As mentioned they all have to be registered in the next week or so. I could see where they would come in handy, checking out the terrain for hazards, water, cliffs etc.
You could give me one and I wouldn't know how to turn it on. I can't hardly answer the cell phone!!!
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Yep, starting Friday, Feds have now passed a law requiring registration of most of the higher end ones. I don't own one of the devices but I don't like the feds butting their noses in on it. They claim too many are flying them around airports or too high, endangering commercial flights. I don't buy it. I think some well-placed business types are trying to corner markets.
Funny, I wasn't nearly so suspicious of government 7-8 years ago.
I've studied them some:
- They can take live video and stills and send directly to the controller.
- They can fly about 20-25 minutes, 500 yards or more from the controller.
- Some of have "homing" button to return and land at take-off point
Frankly, if someone wants to check their stands from time to time to make sure trespassers or thieves aren't messing around, no LE officer could make a case against it.
I don't think I own the air space above my property? So, unless I could prove an invasion of privacy, like hovering outside a home window, I wouldn't think I could take destructive action against a neighbor's device.
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I heard somewhere several months back that a state legislator, can't remember the state, had submitted a bill that would essentially declare the air space directly over a property owner's property to be the owner's own sovereign air space up to a certain altitude, a couple hundred feet or so. I doubt it got anywhere, but it was addressing issues such as where the one was hovering over the sunbathing teen. It would still be illegal to fire a gun inside the city limits, but it would allow trespass charges to be filed. In a rural setting, you could probably get away with shooting one down over your yard if that law was ever passed. I actually think they're cool. My son got a small one from my mother in law for Christmas. It's neat to video around our rural property. Using them for scouting on the other hand...big no no.
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I saw a news clip where a skier in a world cup race had one crash right behind him. Almost hit his skis! I don't think he even knew it happened. It was big and heavy and was apparently videoing the racer.
On another note as far as shooting drones is concerned, we had a dove hunter this year intentionally shoot an ultralight. Apparently he thought it was interfering with his Hunt! Turned out it was a farmer flying his own property to inspect his crops!
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I think the registration is a good idea. It's only a few bucks and the flyer can use the same registration for all his devices. He's basically registering himself as an operator and posting that registration number on all devices he flies. If it comes through your thermopane window there is no problem identifying who owns it.
And there have definitely been pilot reports of a lot of them flying in congested space around airports. Sooner or later some newbie is going to lose one and fly it into an engine intake.
Sure they're a lot of fun. My son's dog loves to chase one. But we live in an ever more congested world and can't expect zero restrictions on what we do in public space. We all buy hunting licenses, right?
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Bladepeek makes a good point on vertical property limits. I can't drive my truck across your property anytime I want, so why is it legal for me to be able to fly a drone across it. I see lots of new laws in the future regarding these things.
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My brother got a phantom 3 for christmas. This thing is absolutely amazing. I actually had him fly over the local archery club to see if anyone is there. The technology is mins blowing.
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Like any other technology that can be abused. I belong to the AMA and we agree not to overfly people, homes, structures or roadways.
I have been flying R/C models for 35 years and have them up to 85" wingspan with 43cc chainsaw engines (22" propeller). No one thought twice about them until kids put GoPro cameras on four-engine drones and started peeping on the neighbor's daughters.
Now the FAA requires EVERYONE who flies any model ("drone" just means unmanned aircraft to them) of 0.55 to 55.0 pounds to register with them and keep them under 400 ft.
Like the NRA, the AMA (Academy of Model Aeronautics) will have the privlege of being the only two organizations whose members get blamed for acts they do not commit. :dunno:
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Drones are already being outfitted for weaponry. Companies are definitely testing them for warfare. However they have been incredibly useful and have revolutionized some industries. Surveying is one. Another is the film industry. Where before you had to get a helicopter and camera crew to film high speed chases now you. An have a drone do it for 1/3 of the cost. There are guys making fortunes on the tech in Hollywood. Another group using them extensively is the use border patrol. There are definitely ethical and privacy concerns however. I think they are neat but, to expensive for me.
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Got news for ya. Its never going to end until the end comes.
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Seems to me the FAA would ban use by all but authorized persons as they would make a very good delivery weapon for a terrorist. How many pounds of plastic explosives could you pack on a drone? You could fly it into protected areas and detonate. It goes without saying that there are lots of lazy hunters out there that would love to use them for scouting or to provide real time info on where the animals are.
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Firefighting water bombers and Helicopters were grounded in BC last year because of drones flying in their space for fighting the forest fire.
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"Funny, I wasn't nearly so suspicious of government 7-8 years ago."
Boy,, ain't that the truth.
A friend of mine had one hovering over his back yard last summer. When he pointed his 12 ga at it, it flew away. Maybe we can train them to be gunshy.