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Planning my first archery elk hunt and need a pack....specifically for packing gear in and for packing meat/cape/ etc out.
Internal frame or external? Recommend a specific pack?
What features do you look for?
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I really like my Stone Glacier Sky 5100
Easily compressible for shorter hunts, very light, super comfortable and great load lifter system.
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Whatever someone else is wearing ( during pack out) works best for me......
CHuckC
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Originally posted by ChuckC:
Whatever someone else is wearing ( during pack out) works best for me......
CHuckC
So I should be shopping for a pack for my buddy.....SMART!!!!
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I have a Kifaru that I love, but truth be told the cheap Marine Corp. ILBE is just about as good and much cheaper.
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Depends a lot on how from the truck you plan to go. The further in the better/bigger it needs to be.
MAP
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I have been using kifaru for about 8 years and still love it. Very versatile pack.
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If you haven't checked them out, huge fan of Mystery Ranch. Volume of the pack, secure frame, and Dana has been making one hell of a product for a very long time. His company has been punched a few times and always sprung back up under a different name.
Used an old Dana Design pack for a bit of playing a long time ago. Recently I have played with their mil-spec pack and it is out of this world for what it needed to do there. Recognized some of the features so I started to dig around and found out it was the same old maker.
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Originally posted by archer66:
Planning my first archery elk hunt and need a pack....specifically for packing gear in and for packing meat/cape/ etc out.
Internal frame or external? Recommend a specific pack?
What features do you look for?
Start with your realistic budget and need.
Then move on:
Fit is everything in a pack. Is the torso length correct? Does the belt fit properly? Does it have full load lifter adjustment?
Once you get those sorted out look at dry weight, load bearing/size capacity. Organization (do you like or need a lot of pockets or do you use pull outs and dry bags).
Do you want to carry meat in the main bag or use a load shelf?
If you use a pack more than five days a year, and actually haul more than 50lbs, any of the Big Three (Kifaru/Stone Glacier/Mystery Ranch) will provide the opportunity to "buy once/cry once".
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I wonder what brand howard used!
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Will be keeping tabs on this one,been looking at the Eberlestock Blue Widow.Not trying to hijack this thread just wanting to know the same info as Chris has asked.
Terry
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I use an old Dana Design Alpine. It is an internal frame pack. I like how the internal frame contours to your back.
Daz makes great points about fit, pocket configuration and price.
Don't end up getting a pack because it's a good deal. Make sure it fits properly. Packing meat out is hard enough.
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I use the KUIU 5200. Worked well on the trip in and pulls down small enough to wear while hunting. Good material and craftsmanship. If you can try several before buying there are a lot of good packs out there. But you can always go with one like Howard.
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Trust me, go to the big auction site and buy an ILBE. I've got them for as low as $25. Use it to train with, and then decide if you need something better. It was designed by Arc'teryx and built by propper. Marines are running 125 lbs. In them in some serious harsh terrain. I almost always have one in the truck just in case something needs hauling.
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I use the Eberlestock Blue widow for two seasons now. Great pack! Can collapse down to be used as a day pack so when you kill an elk miles from camp you don't have to hike back to get a pack to haul meat out.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f205/BasinHunter/Mobile%20Uploads/412AEDE2-39B4-4091-9BAB-B0F1A5213727.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/BasinHunter/media/Mobile%20Uploads/412AEDE2-39B4-4091-9BAB-B0F1A5213727.jpg.html)
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Price point is the first thing you need to consider. If $600 is in the budget you will get one recommendation if it is $150.00 you will get another.
A used Dana Designs or Cabelas Alaskan Guide will work. It also depends on whether you are doing a pack in hunt or will be hunting for a basecamp.
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I've become a big fanboy of Kifaru, me and the wife both got packs last summer, they are incredible! I know that Rocky Mountain Specialty Gear is becoming a dealer for Mystery Ranch I think it is, either them or Stone Glacier, give them a holler if you decide to go that direction!
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I have a Stone Glacier 7400 that I bought for a sheep hunt last year that I am real pleased with. It is is lightweight and so far has carried any load I have put in it well. I have never had it loaded super heavy though. It is not cheap but i have a feeling it will last me for years.
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A lot of people criticize them (not 100% sure why), but I used my brother's Outdoorsmans Optics hunter pack this last season for both turkey and elk, and I thought it was great. For turkey I used it as a day pack and carried it all day long - it was quite comfortable. For elk, I packed in about 3 miles with about a 40lb pack, again - no problems, very comfortable. Also used it as a day pack, just tightened down. Didn't kill an elk, so don't have experience hauling heavy meat, but have tested it with an 80lb bag of concrete and once again, it was very comfortable.
Packs are like scotch - no one can tell you what you will like, and you won't know yourself until you try it. Try to get your hands on a few. As an aside, my brother also has a Dana Terraplane (Bozeman), and I thought it was fairly uncomfortable. Everyone is different.
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I have used an Eberlestock Blue Widow for three elk hunts. It worked well for hauling all of my gear in. Sadly, can't report on how it handles elk on the way out.
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I hunt from a base camp so my hunting packs will generally be day packs. I want to be able to take a load out initially. In the past I have used Badlands, brutally punishing and never again. I used a Sitka Flash 32 for quite a few years, not bad but not really a heavy load hauler.
After the first load was out I'd grab the Cabelas Alaskan frame pack to get the rest. This pack will carry a load heavier than I want to carry. I still have this pack but haven't used it in a while.
Currently, I have a Paradox Evolution frame with load shelf. Attached is a KUIU 1850 bag but you can use any size bag you want. This pack is very comfortable and super light weight. I have not hauled any elk yet but have hauled boned out deer, around 40lbs or so I reckon. You can hardly tell its there, it handled the load superbly. I am very happy with this setup.
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Ok, if you want to spend 500.00 on the the top of the line packs its your choice, but you dont need to especially if this is your fist trip. Cabelas make some external frame packs you can buy for 1/3 the money of the high end packs that will do all you ask of it and more. I have hunted colorado for 19 seasons and killed 11 elk and have been a packer on many more so i have a little boots on the ground exposure to this question. Last year I killed on the second morning 5 mi. from basecamp boned out the entire elk and two of us packed it out in one trip in two Cabelas packs one pack 8 yrs old and the other about 20 yrs old. Now these packs also packed in all our gear and then carried at least 120lbs of meat out and neither cost over 250.00 when purchased. Another thing to remember the State average in Colorado for success on Elk with bow is like 17% so I would spend more money on boots than a pack, good luck to you whichever way you go,Don.
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The Eberlestock Blue Widow is really nice and you can add lots of space, it is pretty modular.
These look pretty nice as well.
http://exomountaingear.com
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I like a pack that is large enough to hold 7 to 10 days worth of gear and food yet will be capable of compressing down small enough to use as a day pack once I get where I'm going and is capable of hauling a 90-100 lb load in relative comfort (if that's such a thing)
I used a Stone Glacier Sky 6200 for the first time this year and was very impressed. Initially, I couldn't make up my mind between the Sky 5100 or the 6200 so I ordered both with the intent of keeping the one I liked and sending the other one back. I loaded both packs and realized that with my gear 7 days worth of food was about all I could fit in the 5100 so I kept the 6200 and sent the 5100 back.
I used the pack for a 7 day elk hunt in Colorado in September and gave the it a pretty good workout for it's first year. Here are a few pics.
The pack loaded with all my gear
(http://i.imgur.com/zMpKtRU.jpg)
In this pic I have 1/3 of a boned out 6x6 bull on the load shelf. Pack out was just over 5 miles. I didn't weigh it but probably somewhere around 90lbs
(http://i.imgur.com/pIwb3zu.jpg)
This is a pic of 1/3 of a boned out mature cow being loaded on the load shelf.
(http://i.imgur.com/57fSstY.jpg)
Same load with bag secured
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With the load on my back. This pack out was just a little longer than the bull but a lighter load....maybe 75-80 lbs.
(http://i.imgur.com/bbE4hVO.jpg)
Note in the first pic of the 6x6 the meat was in an Alaskan Game bag (and black trash bag to catch blood) which did not hold any kind of shape and the meat ended up in a big blob. You can see the meat squeezing out between the compression straps. The cow was put in a TAG game bag designed for boned out meat and you can see it keeps the meat in a much more upright position and was much easier to load and secure. I also learned after packing out the bull I didn't like the way the top lid pulled out away from the bag so when packing out the cow I detached it and put it inside the main bag for organization which worked much better. I won't pretend the pack made either trip fun but it was as comfortable as can be expected for that kind of load and I was really impressed with how well it secured the load. I should also note that Stone Glaciers customer service was as impressive as their pack.
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Great info everyone...thank you!!
Where can a guy go to look at some of these packs and try them out to check fit etc? I live in Northeast Missouri.
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I picked up a Tenzing 5000 last spring for a Sept. elk hunt but due to some unforeseen circumstances I didn't make it on the hunt. The pack seems to be a decent well built pack and I picked it up on sale for 225$. I think the pack would be good to haul in 4-5 days worth of gear on a spike camp style of hunt.
The pack has game compartment that expands by unzipping on both sides. This fall I fit a quartered out doe along with the back straps in the game compartment and had room to spare. I would guess I had 60-70 lb of meat in there and it rode nicely on the pack out. There is also an external cloth load hauling shelf and 3 compression straps so meat could also be carried outside of the pack in a game bag. It compresses down nicely for day trips too and the top cover doubles as a detachable fanny pack.
Like a few others have said make sure you get one that fits your torso and has a good belt that rides nicely on your hips. A bad fitting pack will eat you up like a bad fitting pair of boots, especially after a 5 mile hike with 100lb of meat. You will probably buy two or three packs before you find the perfect one for you and then maybe! If you have a store where you can try multiple packs on that would be the way to go.
Good luck,
Cory
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I'm really liking my EXO 3500. Check them out, you won't be disappointed!
Good luck,
Ben
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Originally posted by archer66:
Great info everyone...thank you!!
Where can a guy go to look at some of these packs and try them out to check fit etc? I live in Northeast Missouri.
About the only place I know of to try them out, where they are all on the same sight is the big shows, like the Sheep Show etc... Would take some traveling, that's for sure! I'm telling you though, buy once, cry once, buy Kifaru!
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Still enjoying my Badlands Sacrifice...I pack more weight in it than I prob should.
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I also use the Eberlestock Blue Widow! I have hunted many days in it and have packed out a bunch of elk in it. Not only is it comfortable and tough for packing but it is quiet. I would never hunt in a cordura or nylon pack way too noisy.
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I use a older mountainsmith pack. I really like it. It is big enough to carry everything for a 10 day hunt, sucks down pretty small, hauls meat well, and didn't cost me a fortune. It is a mountainsmith from back when they were made well. My buddy has used an Eberlestock just one for years and loves it.
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I've gone through a few packs. The last one was the Eberlestock Blue Widow. It was a good pack, just felt I could do better. Bought a Stone Glacier 5100. Wow...load lifters that work great, quality design and materials AND I cut the weight down considerably. Very comfortable. It has the ability to haul meat on a designated shelf between the bag and the frame. So you can haul a load out with your gear for the first trip out.
Take a look at the pack!
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Lots of Stone Glacier fans and lots of Kirafu fans....and lots of Eberlestock fans.....sound like those are great packs.
I'm leaning toward an IBLE paired with a quality game bag.........and if that's an inferior setup maybe that's all I need for Murphy's law to kick in and make me regret it by having to pack a big ole bull out in it lol.
I agree boots are probably the most important piece of equipment.....
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For the money the ILBE absolutely can't be beat. Arc'teryx used to sell a commercial version for about $600. I've got $50 total in the two I have now. Sure they're are better packs out there but you'll pay for it
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Been running mystery ranch packs lately (metcalf) basically any high end pack will be nice, just needs to fit you. Also be realistic on what you can carry. If you a guy that can haul 100 plus pounds you 'll be in a different class then a guy that only haul 50.
Also learn how to setup a pack and how to load it. Ran into a few guys this year with kifaru's, 1/4s in and load lifter flopping in the breeze.........go figure.
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I know I sound like a dinosaur, but the best elk hunting pack is the US Army large ALICE. 2 mature elk quarters can fit inside, it rides high but below your head so avoids overhanging branches, and I have had over 200# of elk in mine once, and if you can haul it, more can be strapped to the outside. Oh, and they are relatively cheap.
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It took me a while to find the right pack for me. I have EXO 3500 and find it to be perfect for all my needs whether I am hunting whitetail or elk. It is so comfortable and functional. They also have a bigger EXO 5500 you may want to check out.
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Originally posted by michaelschwister:
I know I sound like a dinosaur, but the best elk hunting pack is the US Army large ALICE. 2 mature elk quarters can fit inside, it rides high but below your head so avoids overhanging branches, and I have had over 200# of elk in mine once, and if you can haul it, more can be strapped to the outside. Oh, and they are relatively cheap.
My dad has an old Alice....he's 72 years old and he and his buddy packed out two mature cow elk with Alice packs last fall in Wyoming....granted it wasn't a terribly long pack out but I'm always impressed by what Dad can do.
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I agree on the EXO 3500. Outstanding!
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It is all about what you want. You can drive a Yugo or a Mercedes. I'm more of a Middle of the road guy and wanted a multi function pack that would haul all I want to carry and not totally break the bank. I ended up with an AMERICAN made Outdoorsman Optics pack. It does Everything from being a quiet day pack, to hauling boned out meat on the bare beaver tail frame. What I like the most is the multiple adjustments that can be made for body size and load adjustment. I would at least take a look.
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I would think an internal frame would be the way to go for backpack hunting because they will pack all your stuff to camp then fold in tight against your back for the hunt. I use a Kelty external frame that works just fine but it is bulky while hunting and there is no way I'm walking all the way back to camp or the truck to drop my daypack so I can get my frame pack then walk all the way back to the kill sight to start packin meat. If you've never carried a heavy pack before I'd do a little research on how to load your pack... the heavy stuff should be high and tight so it's not pulling you over backwards...BeauJ
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Interesting that the much hyped Kuiu Icon with the carbon fiber frame hasn't been mentioned. I've never used one and so far it appears that most of you don't put it in the top three either.
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The kuiu was my next choice. The fact the Outdoorsman was made 100% in the USA sealed the deal. I am happy with everything about mine. As far as packing down small for a day pack and being external frame. Mine does that perfectly, it is a smaller frame and doesn't get in the way. the compression straps suck the bag in tight for day packing.
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I have a Kuiu 1800 and 5200 with 1 frame. You can pack in with the 5200 then switch to the 1800. The 1800 bag just tucks inside the frame and the pack. This year didn't get a chance to try the 5200 just hunted out of base camp.
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Surprised no one is mentioning the Horn Hunter Full Curl, great price, extremely versatile, and comfortable! Wore mine for a week straight in Idaho this past fall.
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I just got a Kuiu for Christmas....it's going back. Not especially excited about the quality for the price.
Mystery Ranch Metcalf is on sale right now for $100 less than usual. If I don't go that route, I'm going to look at a Blacks Creek. USA made and their Cure 1200 cu is my go to for just about everything. It's a lumbar design but has the integrated meat shelf and half frame. Money well spent IMO.
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I went to a backpack hunting class put on by a hard core backpack hunting guy with very experienced folks in attendance a few years back. We put about 100 lbs. In a number of different packs. The carbon fiber kuiu barely made it off the ground before the fiber started cracking and no one was willing to put it on for fear of total failure. Mystery Ranch (don't recall model) did ok and Kifaru was far and away the most comfortable as judged by the 4-5 folks willing to try the load. This was probably 5 years ago so many of the packs mentioned weren't available then but it was eye opening to me.
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Originally posted by Biathlonman:
I went to a backpack hunting class put on by a hard core backpack hunting guy with very experienced folks in attendance a few years back. We put about 100 lbs. In a number of different packs. The carbon fiber kuiu barely made it off the ground before the fiber started cracking and no one was willing to put it on for fear of total failure. Mystery Ranch (don't recall model) did ok and Kifaru was far and away the most comfortable as judged by the 4-5 folks willing to try the load. This was probably 5 years ago so many of the packs mentioned weren't available then but it was eye opening to me.
The new kifaru frame is even more comfortable!