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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Mitch Edwards on August 18, 2016, 09:43:00 PM
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Having trouble keeping brass insert to stay in gold tip shafts. Been using hot melt. Tried douco and it's not much better. Everything sticks to the brass but not the carbon. Thought bout just plane old super glue but would like to be able to take them out if need be. Any thoughts? Oh and all my broadheads will be on adapters so I can adjust them there just would like to be able to remove inserts should I need to.
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What type of hot melt? could try scuffing up the inside of the shaft with a little light sandpaper then cleaning the dust out with denatured alcohol.
Big jim sells a really good hotmelt
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I think what I have is Bohning but i cant swaer to it. Ill try the sand paper trick. May end up going to Big Jim for glue if the sand paper alone dont do it. Thanks
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I use original gorilla glue (the brown stuff). It expands and creates a great seal. I've never had a failure when using Gorilla Glue.
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Many folks here recommend Big Jim's hot melt. I use for for tuning shafts but for final assembly I use "golf shaft" epoxy. Downside to it is once them inserts are in they an'it coming out. You want a glue that when cured it will absorb the shock of arrow hitting hard stuff.
I prep shafts by ruffling up inside with a .30 cal bore brush. Then swab out with acetone. I also wipe inserts with acetone.
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I have found Insert Iron to be very reliable.
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I prep like M60 does including the acetone. I tried several hot melts including Big Jim's but was getting the occasional failure so switched to JB Weld. I will say that Big Jim's was the best of the hot melts but not up to the apparent punishment I put my shafts through. JB Weld has held up great.
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Big Jims hot melt. No doubt! I also scour the inside of shaft with gun cleaning brush n then clean.
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I use Big Jim's glue as well. I believe the secret to the brass inserts is burn off the coating that is on them from the factory.
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Originally posted by Longtoke:
What type of hot melt? could try scuffing up the inside of the shaft with a little light sandpaper then cleaning the dust out with denatured alcohol.
Big jim sells a really good hotmelt
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x2, correct preparation makes a difference. Light scuff and CLEAN will bond. Love the Big Jim hot glue.
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I use easton quick bond. It works extremely well, and sets up pretty quickly.
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I scuff the inside of the shaft and the insert with sandpaper, clean both with acetone and then use jb weld epoxy, have never had one pull out...
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A key point here is that he wants to be able to take them out. Epoxy, JB Weld - they are great for permanent, but I also want to be able to remove the insert if necessary. I use alcohol rather than acetone as some carbon manufacturers say the acetone will cause the fibers to separate.
I have yet to have an insert pull out with Big Jim's hot melt. The important thing is not to get it too hot, get the surfaces clean and I really don't think you will have any problems.
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Big Jims hands down, no issues.
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Insert Iron and skip the prep, It's pretty much irreversible but you'll never have another insert come out(even if you want it out).Hot melt can be good if you prep correctly, but never quite as good as the permanent bonding glues like jb weld or insert iron.
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I use the glue sticks from the crafts section at Walmart. Very inexpensive an Ive never pulled one out.
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I really like the idea of a bore brush or roughing up the inside of the shaft. Seems like I've read that before but definitely guna give it a shot since I've got plenty of them
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I use Big Jims hot melt on all my arrows clean inside of arrow and the insert with acetone.Never had one come out,have glued alum and brass inserts in with hot melt.
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Which adhesive you use is not nearly as important as the surface preparation of the shaft.
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Big Jim's hot melt.
But what creekwood said is the key, surface prep.
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Originally posted by Carpdaddy:
Big Jims hands down, no issues.
What he said^^^^^^^^
Bisch
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Hot melt should do it, super glue as well. I like hotmelt as it is easy to remove if need be.
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For ease of use go with hot melt and a PROPERLY prepared shaft. For strength and durability JB Weld is the only way to go. The key is proper prep of the shaft. I like to use a brass bore brush of the right size for the shaft chucked in a drill on LOW speed. A smooth and quick in and out is all you need. Follow with acetone on a q-tip until it comes out clean. Use the acetone on a rag for the inserts and you are ready to glue them in. Spin test them and allow to cure because you are not getting them back out if done properly. Oh and I like to push a little bow wax into the insert where weights screw in before I clean them with acetone. This prevents any epoxy getting into the threads and making difficulties in life.
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Good idea on the wax in the threads. I've gotten glue in them before and without an 8-32 tap ya it's not fun trying to get it out. Run a tap in there and your good to go though. I did the bore brush trick on a couple tonight and used denatured alcohol to clean them. Seems to be holding. I had one shot that nothing would stick to. I'll see about it tomorrow. To late now. Thanks everybody
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Big Jim's Glue!
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I use regular hot melt for tuning and JB Weld when I want them permanent. I had one pull out with the JB Weld but it was obvious I hadn't used enough.
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Big Jim's for me too.
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Insert Iron is reversible with heat. But heat the insert only when using carbon shafts. You can screw a field point in and apply the heat to that. I have done this many times and it works every time.