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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: buckeyebowhunter on October 22, 2016, 10:54:00 AM
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Well fellas i was super excited to get into the woods this morning until i went out to take a practice shot and had another index nock break on me upon release. This time with my brand new psa. Now I've had this happen before on older bows but this one cut me deep. I didn't even go to the woods because i was so pissed. However rare, I've never been able to figure out why this happens sometimes other than the nocks being damaged without me having noticed. Now I've been through just about everything negative associated with trad archery including TP, being a terrible shot, broken bows and so on but this incident has made me wonder how much more cash,effort, and heartbreak i can poor into this sport. I love traditional archery but man it can be frustrating. I don't want to sound whiney but i need you guys to talk me out of this awful state of mind lol.
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I don't like the older style index nocks. I use Bohning Classics now and never had a problem with breakage. Old stock nocks can get brittle with age so that could be the problem. You may not have had them long but no telling how long they may have set in a dealers shop. I wouldn't let a little thing like a nock get me defeated. I too have had all of those issues you listed--not so much fun, but love archery too much to give up. Hang in there. ;)
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David thanks for the reply. The nocks i have are classic index nocks and they are brand new. I put them on all of my arrows for the start of this season. The only reason i use them is because they are all I've ever used on shafts with the swagged nock ends. Thanks again man
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I feel your pain! I lost a nice 21st Century bow due to one of those nocks. It broke upon release and essentially dry fired the bow. Took both limb tips off and cracked one limb. There are times when it seems that all your effort ends up with more trouble and strife. Traditional archery should not be this hard!!!
Step back and take a deep breath. This is supposed to be fun! We all go through these slumps to one degree or another.
One thing I did years ago was to switch to carbon arrows. That took a lot of variables out of the equation. Good and pretty consistant shafts that were tough. COmponenets were easy to find and it is cheaper in the long run for me.
Stay with and keep going Brother! You are not alone!
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Are those non-snapping nocks? I had trouble with those, too. Cost me a set of limbs on my PMA. I don't use them anymore.
Could be as easy as changing to a new nock.
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Michael that picture is awful. But I've been there as well. Totally sucks man.
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Yup, pretty much sucks! It happens, but it happens with the compound is well.
I've been in your shoes, wondering if this sport is worth the time. One thing I've always realized when I'm at this point is that I am comparing my self too much with others success. You see all these giant bucks surfacing on Facebook and other sites and forget that these are taken with modern equipment that doubles or triples the ratio of success. We can't compare ourselves to those odds.
The sport can't be a competition, unless it is with oneself. The best advise I can give is to stop and smell the roses, take a picture of your bow as the sun comes up, listen to the wind on the leaves, and for gods sake shoot whatever comes by...in years that are dry sometimes it's good to lower your expectations for trophy quality in fact, it's therapeutic.
Also, if you don't already have a buddy to hunt with, go find one and put him in your best spot...that's how good hunting buddies are made ;)
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http://www.3riversarchery.com/bohning-classic-index-glue-on-arrow-nocks.html
These are the nocks i use^ And i guess these are the nocks I've always used. But Archie i may doing just that, trying different nocks or maybe goin back to carbons. I guess I'll just be spending more :dunno:
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Michael you are correct and thank you for the kind response.
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I'm not a huge fan of the Classic nocks, I liked the old Mercury nocks. I haven't had on break though.
Hang in there, we all struggle at times and it will get better.
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Broken nocks are usually from banging arrows when shooting to many at a single target. I limit the number of arrows in each group to 3 and inspect the nocks after each round.
Even at this a broken one happens now and then.
Is this the only one that broke in this batch.
A few years back they had problems with one color breaking at an alarming rate but I don't remember the color.
Mike
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I had an issue with these same nocks. The yellows ones were the ones that gave me issues. Could be a coincidence, but I had three of them break at one bow shoot. I quit shooting and when I got home I changed them all.
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Originally posted by Michael Arnette:
Yup, pretty much sucks! It happens, but it happens with the compound is well.
I've been in your shoes, wondering if this sport is worth the time. One thing I've always realized when I'm at this point is that I am comparing my self too much with others success. You see all these giant bucks surfacing on Facebook and other sites and forget that these are taken with modern equipment that doubles or triples the ratio of success. We can't compare ourselves to those odds.
The sport can't be a competition, unless it is with oneself. The best advise I can give is to stop and smell the roses, take a picture of your bow as the sun comes up, listen to the wind on the leaves, and for gods sake shoot whatever comes by...in years that are dry sometimes it's good to lower your expectations for trophy quality in fact, it's therapeutic.
Also, if you don't already have a buddy to hunt with, go find one and put him in your best spot...that's how good hunting buddies are made ;)
:clapper: :clapper: :clapper:
Michael, if you was a rapper you could just "drop the mic"!!!
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I haven't had any problem with the classics. Did have a batch of brittle yellow Mercury nocks a while back.
Make sure your nocks fit your string properly, or vice versa. It is not that hard to do.
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I use Marco snapon nocks on my woodies and never had a problem. Now the only problem with them is on my 15 strand string. They are tight but all i do is file or hear in hot water to get the fit i like.
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I don't file my nocks but i do double serve my strings for the classic nocks. They snap on nicely with the string double served. Not too tight, not too loose. I know for a fact that my nock was not loose on the string this morning. But maybe it was damaged and i didn't catch it. My bow seems ok as of right now. Its just a bad feeling knowing that my new widow takin that abuse already. Oh well i guess.
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Originally posted by Michael Arnette:
Yup, pretty much sucks! It happens, but it happens with the compound is well.
I've been in your shoes, wondering if this sport is worth the time. One thing I've always realized when I'm at this point is that I am comparing my self too much with others success. You see all these giant bucks surfacing on Facebook and other sites and forget that these are taken with modern equipment that doubles or triples the ratio of success. We can't compare ourselves to those odds.
The sport can't be a competition, unless it is with oneself. The best advise I can give is to stop and smell the roses, take a picture of your bow as the sun comes up, listen to the wind on the leaves, and for gods sake shoot whatever comes by...in years that are dry sometimes it's good to lower your expectations for trophy quality in fact, it's therapeutic.
Also, if you don't already have a buddy to hunt with, go find one and put him in your best spot...that's how good hunting buddies are made ;)
Can't say it any better than that. Total agreement. It's you against you... the paradox that tries us all.
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Knock on wood - never broke a nock since starting with a bow as a young teen. At least not when releasing the arrow. And I sand mine to fit when needed.
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I've broken a couple nocks and a couple bows...sucks for sure but don't let it get you down. It was probably damaged and you didn't notice. Widows are built like tanks...I'm sure it will be fine. Get out and hunt...enjoy the woods
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I had the same thing happen, same nock, I also don't know if it was damaged or not prior to me shooting. Now my silvertip has vertical lines in the glass at the curves. still shoots, just makes you want to cry though.
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Blend some modern technology into your trad shooting and grab some carbon arrows....compounds are just as frustrating if not more
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Agree with Redfish, make sure you get the string all the way to the base of the valley of the nock.
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I had this problem.... I made sure I was using a serving that fit the nock all the way to the back of the nock.. Also, I am shooting a 62" bow with a 31" draw.. I believe with double nocking points and my draw length I was causing a pinch on the nock. I increased the distance between nocking points, and it hasn't happened again!
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What about aluminums with push in nocks? I've never used them but i may try. Started another post about them as well. Thanks for the replies guys!
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I've had a couple of those break on me as well. Definitely makes you worry about your bow.
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I shoot quite a bit and my close-up eyesight is not good so I occasionally have a nock break while shooting probably from being damaged. It's one of the reasons I stick with B-50 string material. I don't think I have had a broken nock damage a bow. I shoot Mercury speed nocks and for some reason, it does seem that the white nocks become brittle with age.
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As sad, and as expensive as it is, equipment failure is a part of archery, whether trad or something else. It doesn't make it any easier to accept, though. I have had a couple of nocks give, but luckily, no damage was done. I am sorry for your problem.
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IF it's man made, regardless of brand, it can and at sometime, likely will fail.
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Originally posted by buckeyebowhunter:
http://www.3riversarchery.com/bohning-classic-index-glue-on-arrow-nocks.html
These are the nocks i use^ And i guess these are the nocks I've always used. But Archie i may doing just that, trying different nocks or maybe goin back to carbons. I guess I'll just be spending more :dunno:
have any idea what spine arrows you would need?
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Daniel i am currently shooting 2215 eastons I'm not positive but i guess that would end up being a 150 cx heritage which i have some laying around. I did however end up ordering some 2215s with the uni bushing i will likely try those for a while and see how the super nocks hold up. I do appreciate everyone's help and advice. This site always makes me feel better when i lose my cool over equipment issues.
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Grab a set of carbons and let your arrow concerns fade off into the distance. I love wood shafts but I got tired of broken nocks, straightening shafts, and tossing shafts that whacked one another.
Don't think I've ever broken a carbon with a trad bow. Shot several straight into cinder blocks and felt bad for the blocks. The arrows just bounce off.
Never had a GT nock or GTO nock blow up on release and I've had like 10 glue on nocks detonate.
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I'm going to use up my 1916's on the 3D courses but I'm hunting with Beman Centershot's and after I trash the rest of the aluminums I will just use the Bemans for everything.