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What if anything do you guys use on stand ?gums or what ? ive heard Apple gum ,ive always had a hang up with odors that we constantly have as we breathe.
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Copenhagen, won't chew Skoal cause of the wintergreen scent, lol. Seriously though breath odors can be a problem but I try and pay more attention to the wind and how it affects stand choice not only on the day of the hunt but when choosing and setting stands in the offseason.
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I've given it all up, but I used to know a hunter that swore deer would come investigate the smell of Red Man.
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Copenhagen straight. I shot my biggest buck while he was sniffing the apple skoal I threw on the ground. If they are close enough to smell my breath they are already in trouble.
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Apple flavored extra or JDs blend loose leaf. Just as good as red man but half the price.
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Smith Bros. licorice cough drops.
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Usually chew some kind of mint gum. To an animal, We stink anyways so I'm not worried about my breath that much.
I chew it to occupy my mind and keep my mouth moist more than anything.
I figure mint is a naturally occurring odor so ???
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If I have to worry about deer smelling my breath I might as well stay home.
Just hunt.
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When I am sick with a sinusitis there is no doubt my breath is a problem. i cant stand it myself, i avoid talking with people because its plain nasty. usually mints will help keep me from coughing and help me tolerate my breathe.
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I chew on apples, lots of them where I hunt.
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Skoal wintergreen
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They will smell you if your not breathing....they will smell you if you are dead.
Go Hunting and play the wind.
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I spit some gold river onto a does nose that was under my tree. All she did was wipe it off with her back hoof and kept feeding.
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Could try nullo if you're that concerned
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Best answer, Terry
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Originally posted by Terry Green:
They will smell you if your not breathing....they will smell you if you are dead.
Go Hunting and play the wind.
This^^^^
Bisch
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Copenhagen wintergreen
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When I was younger, dad would bring sour apple gum. He told me that it would attract deer, so I remember sitting there and blowing the whole time to try and get as much scent out as possible. :biglaugh:
Now I mainly eat sunflower seeds. I've had deer come up and eat the hulls after I spit them out. I also throw in the occasional snickers bar for variety.
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An apple. It's on an apple and chew slowly or
Kinda suck on it. It's natural breath deodorizer as told to me by a dentist. My dad has been doing it since then.
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Had a sour apple blow pop on the way to my stand the other night and was gonna spit the gum out before I got to my stand but forgot. Had deer all around me, even down wind, and was never busted! Don't think it really matters as long as you play the wind but if you believe it will help you then try it. It's all about having confidence in what you're doing.
Nick
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Originally posted by RedShaft:
An apple. It's on an apple and chew slowly or
Kinda suck on it. It's natural breath deodorizer as told to me by a dentist. My dad has been doing it since then.
Yep. Eating apples for deodorizing breath is what I've done for years. Apples also double as lunch. I've been thinking about taking a thermos of hot apple cider for cold mornings.
I also rinse with SmartMouth 12 hour mouthwash and peroxide.
Floss, brush, and clean below the gum line with a rubber gum massager.
We can't eliminate human odor but we can reduce it. Reducing odor will reduce the residual odor we leave behind and help to keep stand sites fresher.
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I use to really like licorice, the slightly sweet and salty Dutch stuff, I am Dutch mostly with a bit of Ojibwa. In Holland they have brittle plastic, the kind that does NOT have estrogen mimickers. I had a bag rip, all my licorice fell on the ground, one of the rare days I was in a tree stand. The next morning there were deer tracks everywhere and not one piece of licorice. I got me some licorice chew, Redman. I had a cheek full of the nasty stuff, it gave my hiccups. I spit it out before I got any sicker. Two fawns came by and then their mamma. One of the fawns crept up on the Redman, sniffed and jumped straight up and ran back, then the next fawn, same reaction. then mamma tried a sniff, she snorted and bolted over the hill with her babies in hot pursuit. I went to packing apples in my pockets.
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I hope my ranch sunflower seeds aren't too bad of an idea. I'm a compulsive seed eater.
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Seeds here too but almonds pecans walnuts and different dried fruits....all in a nice snack pack ziplock....I make up 20 or so at a time- good for ya and sodium free
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Originally posted by EwokArcher:
I hope my ranch sunflower seeds aren't too bad of an idea. I'm a compulsive seed eater.
Ha ha I used to be too when I played ball. Man I used to eat so many I had to stop at times my darn mouth got so sore from packing them like a chimpmonk..
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Copenhagen for me. Because I like it!!
Don't figure it really makes a difference to the deer.
But I'd probably give a deer a chew if it wanted to bum one.
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Sometimes the local sagebrush. But mainly just because I want to -- it's a better aftertaste than hard-boiled eggs. You can't beat the deer's nose. Best case scenario is fool him to thinking you're further off than you are. But that's a best-case scenario.
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Like Terry said, you need to play the wind. What you chew doesn't matter, it is the B.O. that will give you away, and no scent killer spray or clothing will prevent it.
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I love the play the wind theory! Come to WV and you would never get done playing the wind or would never hunt. IF you don't figure out to fool a deers nose you mise as well stay home! First thing is don't wear wool and don't buy into the scent loc clothes either.
Copehengan here!
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I don't chew anything.
Too much motion and noise. ;-)
But I do wear wool. :dunno:
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Originally posted by LC:
I love the play the wind theory! Come to WV and you would never get done playing the wind or would never hunt. IF you don't figure out to fool a deers nose you mise as well stay home! First thing is don't wear wool and don't buy into the scent loc clothes either.
Copehengan here!
I don't do the scent stuff, but why not wool? I have several wool garments and haven't seen any negative effects. Just curious how your experiences differ.
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One advantage with sitting on a portable seat and staying on the ground is that when the winds shift you can easily adjust to match the situation. Occasionally I hear about complaints that my portability is an unfair advantage to the claim stakers with their tree stands and camera set-ups. Just like the time a guy, sitting right on the field access tractor path, an hour before sunrise. My wife heard can drop and hit other cans, saw a cigarette glow and then got a tirade of cussing from a a compound shooter with a new bow and brown nubs that use to be teeth, that was smoking and sucking down a six pack of Bud Lite before the sun was even up. When I confronted him later, he said that he had new carbon camo so deer would have no idea where he was and what tree he was sitting in. Yes, I told the land owner and showed him the pile of beer cans and the cardboard container that was left behind, him and friends got their butts kicked off and once again I got a bunch of death threats. I informed the game warden and law enforcement, the game warden acted scared, the county sheriff asked me if I wanted to borrow a side arm.
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Sometimes I will chew some rabbit tobacco, rub it on my clothes and put some in my pocket. I don't know if it helps, but I like the way it smells.
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"One advantage with sitting on a portable seat and staying on the ground is that when the winds shift you can easily adjust to match the situation" I invite you to WV you won't need a seat as if you don't like the way the wind is blowing now just wait five minutes it will change in a direction you like or don't like.
IndaTimber 99% of the wool garments are not wind proof. If they are your loosing all the advantages of wool unless you consider the muted soft camo effect they offer as a shell. But then again you can gain that advantage with lots of other fabric. IF the wind is blowing through your wool or clothes in general you have two problems. ONE wind chill, TWO deer will smell your human odor regardless of what you do after the fact.
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Last fall I walked into a new area before sunrise. Posted up at a tree until I could see well enough to pick my spot. I was chewing skoal wintergreen.I backed up 10 yards and 2 hours later a doe fed through to that exact spot. Didn't react to the skoal juice at all.
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Totally agree deer don't associate tobacco spit as a "human" odor and don't go on total alert. I've proved that myself years ago along with my buddies who chew on stand. However I don't openly spit on the ground from a setup as I spit in a bottle. I don't want to over saturate my hunting spot with any odor as much as I can help it. Keep in mind I SAID that "as much as possible" Because the dog boys will come along any minute and say any good dog can follow you to your stand or hideout. I totally agree 100%! Trailing ground scent is totally different from wind blown scent.
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I don't use anything and I don't even brush my teeth the morning of the hunt,, yeah gross but I'm not out there to have conversations with people.
if I'm using scents during the pre rut I do like to rub a little on the back of the tree up high where my stand is so if I have anything coming in on the scent I have on the ground it may pick mine up too so I try to disguise it a little and it has worked out pretty good for me.
I do bag my clothes and always keep fresh pine branches in with my clothes,,,, if its an after work hunt I will go in with my work clothes and hunt against the wind.
but here the wind will be blowing one way and right after the sun goes down it changes and if you can guess good on what that change of direction might be you'll do well..
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LC touched on one of the real problems of deer hunting - swirling wind. We have that issue down here, too. I have noticed some tendencies (no Guarantee). In the morning, the breezes tend to go uphill in the bottoms I hunt, and they go downhill as the evening cools off. Most of my stands are located where it is likely to see a deer from any given direction. That helps, right up to the second that the wind shifts unexpectedly, you know, that second just before you release.
As for what is in my mouth, it is honey flavored cough drops. Early bow season is also allergy season, so I need a cough surpressant. Still I don't think what is in the mouth that will cause the problems.
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Originally posted by LC:
"IndaTimber 99% of the wool garments are not wind proof. If they are your loosing all the advantages of wool unless you consider the muted soft camo effect they offer as a shell. But then again you can gain that advantage with lots of other fabric. IF the wind is blowing through your wool or clothes in general you have two problems. ONE wind chill, TWO deer will smell your human odor regardless of what you do after the fact.
Ok, now I see where you are coming from. Never really had a problem with the wind, if needed I'll just wear a lined vest under or over whatever is needed, but wool is not my only clothing choice.
I do see your point, thanks for taking the time to clarify.
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If your using a "lined" vest under your wool your wool IS NOT INSULATING YOU it's only offering you noise muffling protection. I know I'm not in the wool is king crowd but I swear I use Merino wool as a undergarment. Wool is a awesome material. It's just not the end all that most people seems to think it is after tons of threads promoting it as! Think about this for a minute, how many folks climb MT Everest in totally wool? Then when you consider how wool is NOT windproof and all the wool wearers say keep the wind in your face you got to just laugh to yourself.
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I used to chew about everything, skoal, cope and most any thing else tobacco related until my wife, well that's another story, lol. Anyway I have dropped more than one load on a deer's mellon when hunting from a tree. Not one alerted.
My buddy had a pet buck that was on the wrong side of a road. He gave me two cigarettes to feed the deer to walk it across the roadway. It worked.
Deer like tobacco.
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Copenhagen.
It satisfies since 1822.
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Lots of swirling wind in the flatlands of GA and SC. Killed lots of deer and hogs (hogs are worse than deer by far concerning scent).
Killed a lot of Deer and Hogs wearing wool....so have many of our pioneers before the advent of modern fibers.
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What does wool have to do with wind? what does regional location have to do with wind?
deer smell better than dogs, you will never trick them, scentlock, hunter soap, cover scent, (whatever other flavor of the month solution there is), you can not defeat thousands of years of evolution with a man made chemical spray or material.
I'm not trying to cause conflict or be rude, I just dont see the relevance...
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Longtoke, I'm not trying to cause conflict from your statement but if we can't trick a deer how do we kill them? You can't tell me that on every deer I've killed the wind was totally in my favor... I mean i try to be conscientious of the wind at all times but if I always played the wind on every area i have permission to hunt there would be many weekends where i couldn't hunt.
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Wind entry on ANY fiber depends on the fabric.... the tighter the weave the more wind is prevented from entering the fabric. Felted wool is probably the best as far as wind n wool as it mingles and fuses the fibers together. But make no mistake, there are other non-felted constructions out there that do a good job.
Also, wool absorbs-holds-and neutralizes odors. And absorbs up to 30% of its weight in moisture without feeling wet. Wear cotton socks in freezing temps?.....good luck keeping your toes warm.
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One other thing good wool has, a much wider comfort range. Some man made fibers leave you sweaty and too hot and a few degrees less, chilled to the bone. A good wool shirt can be worn in temps above 70 and still keep you warm enough down to 50 or less for us warm blooded types. My Filsen and my Swani coats last a very long time and with natural lanolin treatments shed rain very well. I never considered that they may absorb oder so deer can smell less, but I guess it is possible.
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Not 'may' or 'posible'...but fact...
Wool is a non-allergenic fiber which does not promote the growth of bacteria or dust mites, or give off harmful emissions.
Wool fiber also absorbs and neutralizes airborne chemicals and odors.
Wool assists in stabilizing the relative humidity by absorbing or releasing moisture during periods of high or low atmospheric humidity.
Wool is resistant to compression due to the physical nature of the fiber's "natural crimp". Wool has millions of coiled molecules, rather than artificially induced sinoidal waves which exists in man made fibers.
Wool is an excellent insulator of temperature and sound.
Wool ages gracefully and does not "ugly out" like man made fibers.
Wool is naturally soil resistant.
Wool is naturally flame retardant and is specified for those installations with the most stringent flammability regulations.
Wool is a natural, renewable resource, produced using environmentally friendly, energy efficient, and safe methods.
Wool is recyclable and biodegradable.
Wool has superior long term appearance retention due to the fibers natural resilience.
Wool has non-slip and non-abrasive characteristics, making it a safe walking platform.
Wool has excellent dying characteristics.
Wool is more cost effective in the long term.
These are just a few of the many supreme attributes of wool over man made fibers. An investment in wool is an investment in nature, comfort, reslience, practicality, style and beauty beyond compare.
For decades man has tried to discover a fiber that will outdo and outperform the fiber made by God in every realm..
. so far it hasn't worked.
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I mostly still hunt , which is very slowly moving through the woods after you get in a deer area or elk. I mean very slow. I like the smell of fresh cedar and fir so the first cedar or fir tree I come to I take a small branch and rub it all over myself. I then take a few of the tips and chew them. Much better for me than Skunk Screen. But nothing works better as a cover scent than Skunk Screen.
God bless, Steve
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If you think for one second that your wool is not insulating you because you're wearing a vest just sit out in the weather of about 30 degrees for an hour in such attire and then take the wool outer layer off and see if you were being insulated or not.
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RedMan Golden Blend.
I used to hunt occasionally with a guy who smoked cigarettes and an occasional cheap cigar (Swisher Sweets) like a coal train in his stand. He killed deer regularly. And he was VERY good at hunting the wind. If the wind switched on him, he would get down from his treestand and move to another one or hunt off the ground if necessary to keep the wind in his face. He would always keep saying "keep that wind in yer face young man and you'll kill`em."
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I use Fisherman's Friend for my breath. I use wool for body odor control. Animals smell us for our "animal" scent that we give off through our glands. One of the most likely culprits is our armpit odor. I tend to not have BO but wool hides some of that. Another huge scent area is right behind our ears. We tend to not notice because the smell is behind our noses. But mark my words, deer pick that smell up really well. Don't believe me? Take your finger and wipe the crease behind your ears and take a whiff. Wash any part of you that has a crease: crotch, crap crack, armpit, back of ears, and back of knees. You are making scent 100% of the day so there's no getting over or around the scent issue. Play the wind and play the wind well. I hunt with my 76 year old father in law who farts, has rancid BO, uses fabric softener soaked clothes, and has bad breath. I can actually smell him from the ground when he is up in a tree. The old guy gets a deer every year. He kills deer from an average of 15 yards away every year. Why? He knows how to use the wind. That's how. I use Copenhagen when I am in my treestand or when I hunt from the ground. My main scent control technique is to use wood smoke. I started to use this method by accident. I went to start smoking a brisket on my Treager pellet smoker before a hunt 5 years ago and ended up smoking myself and my hunting clothes. I decided to hunt that morning anyway even though I smelled like Treager competition blend. Not only did I smell sexy, but I had 6 does all within 10 yards of me while hunting on the ground between a tight cluster of red oaks. I did not get a shot offf because there were too many eyes but I did learn that smoke helped mask my scent.
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Sun flower seeds. LOL
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Have used Copenhagen and Shoal Wintergreen on virtually every hunt in the past 30+ years.
Have used wintergreen nearly exclusively the past 12 years. Have Jose Wales'd many a buck beneath my stand. Have Jose Wales'd many times before shot.
A perfection buddy of mine constantly drilled me about me dipping in the stand. We hooked up with Myles Keller in the later 80's and I noticed he was dipping Shoal Wintergreen. I directly inquired if he dipped in the stand. His reply...'EVERY HUNT'!
I am passionate in my prep yet have never found dipping to emit the slightest hint of an alarming signal.
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gargling with hydrogen peroxide works very well. do it just prior to you heading for your stand and you will be surprised how well it works