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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: GaryF1058 on November 15, 2016, 08:45:00 AM
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I know this has probably gone over a million times but i tried a search and came up with nothing. So how do you chose which one to go with. Sorry for such a stupid question.
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I had a bunch of left wing feathers so went with left bevel. You just have to match the bevel to your feathers.
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Sounds simple... Thank you very much. Kind of figured it was something like that just wanted to make sure.
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For the same reason the water in a toilet spins clockwise or counter clockwise depending on the hemisphere you live in. You pick right or left bevel depending on whether you live north or south of the equator.
I wouldn't lie about a thing that's this important.
;)
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I don't shoot single bevel broad heads. But I have also read the bevel should match the feather.
-Jeremy :coffee:
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I think,but don't hold me to it,that if you use right wing it tightens the tip or doesn't actually try to loosen it,but I haven't found it to be a problem either way.
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OMG Charlie... I can't believe it.
Not that you said that, it was great, but the fact is, I have a weird sense of humor, I know it, and I often say things in jest, like that. Anyway, when I read the title, before I even opened it up, my mind was coming up with a near IDENTICAL story, and I was wondering if I was gonna get in trouble...again...
What Charlie said x 2 !
ChuckC
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someone out there tested this recently on carcasses and found that the head still spun with the bevel and wasn't much influenced by the flight. I would imagine if the heads are sharp it ought not matter much. Needless to say, my LH Grizzlies are setup with LW feathers. I didn't do it on purpose actually, just happened to be what I bought.
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Match the bevel to the feather you have. The heads not only spin as they go through animals, but I noticed my right bevels pull out of foam targets counter-clockwise. Pretty cool the way they work.
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Charlie is only half right .
It depends on if you are shooting North or South . :biglaugh:
Truthfully , use the one that you can sharpen easier .
The spin of the arrow prity much stops when it enters the animal .
Either one will still make a S shaped cut and break bone better than a double bevel .
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For years, about the only single bevels were the original Grizzlies and they were all right bevels. We shot them with left and right wing feathers without knowing any difference and they worked just fine. Now that we "know better", I shoot left bevels with my left wing fletch.
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Just another little wrinkle. I find Right bevel heads easier to sharpen too when I do so by hand, as I am right handed.
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what Charlie said x3 :biglaugh:
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Coriolis effect. Almost caused a war with Australia on an episode of the Simpsons. Or you can use the old "lefty, loosey; righty, tighty" to figure it out. :)
Hey, its gun season here, anything to put a smile on one's face is a good thing!
R
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Rh bevel for quartering toward shots and LH bevel for quartering away... common guys this is textbook stuff here. :jumper:
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In all honesty I don't think it matters. If I'm not mistaken the resistance a single bevel bh meets as it travels through flesh and bone is what cause it to rotate not the feathers. Matching feather with bevel only helps performance of the single bevel broadhead weather you notice it or not. That being said I use a right wing with right bevel.
Gilbert
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Chuck... I just couldn't help myself. I hope the "serious" guys will forgive me.
Graps... which half?
I haven't switched to single bevel yet and am still killing stuff and shooting right through them. I'm just not sure a guys success or failure to kill an animal is dependant on matching bevel to wing.
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Hey, its gun season here, anything to put a smile on one's face is a good thing!
You sure got that right Ryan!
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I hate to break up a good joke, but I'm an engineer and it's in my dna.
Best penetration = matched bevel and fletch.
Second best = any fletch with double bevel.
Worst combination = any single bevel with opposite fletch.
If you aren't gonna do it right, just go back to double bevel heads and do whatever you want for fletch.
I wouldn't even bother to comment if I didn't think we had a responsibility to the animals we intend to kill.
Thom
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Yep...i'd go with a single bevel that has opposite bevels..you know...left on one side and right on the other. Also fletch with 2 feathers of opposite wing and all you problems are solved :laughing:
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It appears obvious that matching fletch to bevel would give you optimum penetration when stuff goes bad, but really, does anyone have any real data showing penetration of miss matched feather wing / bevel on deer sized critters ?
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Yew....you are giggling...but would that broadhead work ? Why not ?
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Hey Chuck, haven't we done this before? :laughing:
Everything I need to know about this is available in a single post:
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=049444;p=3#000034
If you really want to shoot mixed bevels and fletch, just be sure you don't hit any bones when you do it. For me, I think it's ethical to not introduce this risk.
Thom
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Deer sized critters, not wildebeast or zebra or buffalo.
I guess the point I am asking is, we talk of the "best scenario" but if any of this blows right thru a deer, does any more even matter ?
If a double bevel will go thru three feet of stuff and a single bevel will go thru five feet, since a deer is only one foot thick, does any of it matter ( yes, I made up those numbers to get my point across).
Just a question.
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I used the original right wing Grizzlies spinning them correctly with RW feathers for a couple of years and then went to spinning incorrectly because I prefer to shoot left wing out of my longbows, that finger cut from the quill thing, I hold so the arrow rides on my finger. Then 20 years or so ago I went single bevel Hills, I did that so I could grind them to match the left or right wing feathers. I was not considering cutting, I was thinking more of the aerodynamics of the broadhead trying to turn the opposite of the feathers. I wish i could tell that any of it made any noticeable difference in blood trails or even in flight characteristics, I cannot. I can say that a left wing or right wing single bevel Hill leaves more blood on the ground quicker than a standard Hill on average no matter which way it is spinning. Of course, I am not trying to shoot through a cape buffalo's shoulder bone, they have all flown straight through whitetail deer so far.
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Seems to me bone is bone, whether its the rib of a buff or the ball socket of a whitetail, either way, I want to smash through If I am blessed enough to have a shot opportunity.
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I hit that shoulder socket once, not intentional, I got through it far enough to hit the heart. That was with a wood arrow and a standard 160 grain file sharpened Hill, sharpened exact like the brochure Craig used to send out with the broad heads. Accuracy trumps everything. If an efoc arrow is flying loggy, a clean flying balanced arrow will out penetrate it. I have seen some guys around here that expertly tuned their set ups on level ground going for full power and then not have it when shooting at deer from a tree stand. They did not get the penetration that they expected. I suspect their draw came in too short and their arrows did not perform the way they did in their backyards.