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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: nhbuck1 on January 16, 2017, 01:17:00 PM
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im sort of confused on this grip, does the meat part of my hand/ thumb area not touch the bow at all? in order to get in the position my fingers are very low resting on the riser, any help would be great
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A high wrist grip places the pressure towards the web of the hand.
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i would think that would hurt during the draw and holding? does anyone have videos to demonstrate this?
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I don't have a video but I shoot a high wrist better than other grips. Less contact with the hand. My K-Mag and predator both have high wrist grips and they're my most accurate bows.
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Why would it hurt?
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Do a search on you tube for traditional archery bow grips, etc.
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dont you have to press your hand heal down? thats alot of force just between the webbing of your fingers
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I shoot with a high wrist grip, my bow hand is almost pointed straight out and all the pressure of the bow rides in the web between my thumb and fore finger with a little pressure down the life line on the palm of the hand. It doesn't hurt at all, where are you getting that from? Is your bow grip square or something?
(http://i.imgur.com/icZoI7t.jpg)
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I shoot very high wristed. There is no pain. I have been advised by a very high level coach that I should entertain the idea of changing to a lower wristed grip where I actually healed the bow more. I tried it, and did not like it at all! Worst thing was how bad my arm hurt from the string slap. Anyway, I decided I was too old of a dog to try to learn new tricks, and dedicated myself to learning to be consistent the way I am comfortable.
I shoot all my bows with this same style of grip, longbows, recurves, and selfbows.
Bisch
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ok i thought the wrist had to be completly straight?
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Not all 'high wrist' grips are the same. Bowyers make them all sorts of ways. I had one such bow where there medium was higher then any other high grip I have had.
Link to proper pressure point on hand according to KSL, scroll down to #3 click on pick to enlarge.
http://www.kslinternationalarchery.com/Technique/KSLShotCycle/KSLShotCycle-USA.html
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Hurt? no. Can it be uncomfortable? yes. Depends on your preferences though some people like a high wrist.
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If one likes to shoot palm down with a straight wrist, the high is wrist is fine. I do not like the way they handle and feel when not shooting, which is what I am doing 99.99% of the time when hunting.
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A high wrist grip takes getting used to. My '67 1/2 Kodiak Hunter has a high grip and I find that this bow is number one.
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Roy has a pretty good picture and explanation of high wrist. No reason for it to hurt. However, when the draw weight gets heavier, it does place more stress in that small web between the thumb and forefinger. A lower wrist grip handles heavier weights more comfortably.
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so where the newer bear bows such as super grizzly the way my hand natruall fits into the grip is a high wrist grip already? or do i have to keep the wrist straight and it dosent break upward at all?
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Extend your arm and point at an object with your fore finger without making a fist. That will be the position you will maintain with your wrest when shooting high wrest with the throat of the bow resting in the web of your hand. Keep your hand loose and open. Do not grip the bow.
I shoot a recurve this way no matter if the grip is high, medium, or low. I shoot longbows holding the bow differently.
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so where the newer bear bows such as super grizzly the way my hand naturally fits into the grip is a high wrist grip already?
Yes pretty much so. Like the grip on my bear, it forces me into a high wrist grip.
(http://i.imgur.com/7rg5W72.jpg)
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I certainly would not call that a high wrest grip. It appears medium and maybe even slightly lower than normal medium. That however can and will be seen differently by others.
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my super grizzly has a medium grip. I have 12 other Bear bows and the only ones with a high wrist grip are my K-mag and my super mag. I would like a super grizzly with a high wrist. never seen one before
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cant you still grip the bow with high wrist no matter what grip? so open hand on that style? no fingers on riser?
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I shoot a high wrist too. Tried low wrist lots of times just because most people shoot that way. It feels really awkward, hurts my arm and rattles my teeth.
This bow isn't a special order, just the standard grip on a Predator. Note the angled cut on the site window. That's helpful if you shoot with a high wrist.
Most bows do not have that angled cut. See the thread on here about modified bear takedown risers. They make them look like this. (http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p714/tas0323/Mobile%20Uploads/0DD165A7-05E5-4731-B1AE-3D1DBAE9ADEF_zpsvo7d4md7.jpg)
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I think for the most part the best tournament winning shooters shoot with a low wrist. (Just assuming that from photos...etc)
Here is a custom black widow with a high wrist modification. Not visible is the thumb side of the riser. The slot for the thumb is cut lower than the throat of the grip. It does not have the angle cut on the site window and that made it feel restricting at times.
(http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p714/tas0323/Image%202_zps3mpxqopr.jpg)
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so hand should be pointed pretty much straight out palm down? i just dont understand how that cant hurt drawing with that much tension?
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Originally posted by nhbuck1:
cant you still grip the bow with high wrist no matter what grip? so open hand on that style? no fingers on riser?
To answer your question, yes. I have for years. I shoot all recurves with a locator type grip whether low, medium, or high using only the web of my hand between my thumb and forefinger to support the bow. I shoot a long bow or recurve with the older straight longbow style grip totally different. I actually grip the bow as you would a knife you were going to stab something with using a downward thrust.
Here are a couple of photos that might show how I shoot what I consider a high wrest method. Notice the heal of my hand is not touching the grip area of the bow. It could however if the grip were high enough. The BW I am shooting has the Asbel medium grip.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/Sonnygun/005-1_zpshkrzrbkm.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Sonnygun/media/005-1_zpshkrzrbkm.jpg.html)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/Sonnygun/007-1_zps0iouuquu.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Sonnygun/media/007-1_zps0iouuquu.jpg.html)
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It's pretty simple. Nothing extreme. If you are interested in trying to shoot that way look up G Fred Abel's book Instinctive Shooting. The cover of the book shows his grip. He uses that for his method of instinctive shooting. I like to use the arrow as little as possible for shooting, I'm just slightly aware of the arrow. My wrist is not as high as G fred's but similar. It works for me.
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I shoot more naturally high wrist. The pic of Roy to me looks more like straight wrist to me. Then someone said point at some thing and that's the position of high wrist. I disagree. Extend your bow arm out,and let your wrist and hand go dead. When using a high wrist your fingers should almost be pointing down toward the ground. The wrist should be as high or higher than the 3rd knuckle or top of the hand. They grip sits between the thumb and index finger and against the webbing. With very little palm or heel.
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Well Kyle, do we have you really confused now? LOL
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I like high wrist as you can even point your index finger at the object you are shooting at. A real asset when shooting instinctive. For me it is an extremely comfortable hand placement.
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Somenone needs to send Straighshot a longer arra!
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i just tried it out today i actually like it it seems rather smooth and relaxing,goin to take some practice, does this make your draw longer ? seems like it?
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Originally posted by Tedd:
Somenone needs to send Straighshot a longer arra!
Yep, don't think a broadhead would work there.
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I'm bet-en I could whoop ole Straightshot on the 3D course... :)
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Those "arras" happen to be old Easton 2115 X7's that a dear friend gave me over 25 years ago. His draw length was a bit shorter than mine but the field point extends past the sight window and they are great for 3D shooting. They are not for hunting. They have found their way down range to the target thousands of times and on occasions (not real often) found the 12 ring in the kill zone.
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does shooting with high wrist make your draw longer?
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Originally posted by nhbuck1:
does shooting with high wrist make your draw longer?
Maybe a little. Not as much as some would claim. I would say you could gain maybe 1/2" or so. For me, it's more like 1/4".
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Originally posted by 30coupe:
Originally posted by nhbuck1:
does shooting with high wrist make your draw longer?
Maybe a little. Not as much as some would claim. I would say you could gain maybe 1/2" or so. For me, it's more like 1/4". [/b]
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Here's a scematic of the different grip angles.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/reddogge/Archery/00small44224414_zpsuvjevgfq.jpg)
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Good pix reddogge. I'd call most of the bows pictured medium wrist, not high. I've seen high wrist grips quite a bit higher than the one in your diagram as well.
Of course, those are recurve grips. A straight grip on a longbow is much lower than a low wrist on a recurve.
Straitshot is demonstrating a true high wrist grip on what is likely a medium wrist bow. Palm isn't even touching the bow riser/grip.