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Title: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 21, 2004, 01:06:00 AM: I've Been meaning to start a static build along but never have had time, theres been some good build alongs showing how to make the selfbow recurve but none for the bamboo backed static recurve... I have a few statics to build so I said heck why not, I've always enjoyed Ferrets and John Scifres build alongs... Ok what I have is a homepage with msn so bare with me:) heres the link to follow the progress of building the bamboo backed static recurve... hope you guys enjoy it. I'll be adding pictures as I go so be patient... Also feel free to ask any questions.

JD

http://groups.msn.com/Horseapplesbowpage/bamboobows.msnw
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: lcoast on January 21, 2004, 01:12:00 AM: Ahh, good stuff. Cool apples. :)

=keith=
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: cjones on January 21, 2004, 01:55:00 AM: CRAP!! this sever at work has all msn sites blocked. Guess i'll have to check it at home.

Chad
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: AkDan on January 21, 2004, 02:40:00 AM: awesome Jd!

I notice you add a piece between the stock and the backing. Is this a piece to transition between bending and non bendin to keep the handles from popping off? If not what purpose does it server?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Chadwick on January 21, 2004, 03:37:00 AM: JD-
I notice that you've got more than one caul going at a time, I assume on different bows. Is there any specific reason to glue the billets together before you recurve them?
Chadwick
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: AZStickman on January 21, 2004, 07:48:00 AM: Very cool JD......I'm with Timo....That Bull would be in my living room... :D ....Terry
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Jason Lester on January 21, 2004, 08:11:00 AM: Hey if my wife would let me my whole living room would look like that. Not just the Bull. Tools and all. LOL She thinks its bad enough that I have taken over her parking spot in the garage.

JD,

10-20 hours in the form clampd up seems like a long time. But I've only done one static. We steamed it and bent it and held it for 10-5 min. Alot of the curve relaxed. Seems your way works pretty good. I will have to try it one day when I build another recurve.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: huntsmanlance on January 21, 2004, 08:28:00 AM: Now yer talking!!! I have been hesitant to start the BBO Sparky sent me for fear of messing it up! and i didnt want to bother you or Mike until after the season was over and you were back to building!!!

Thanks JD!!!
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: the Ferret on January 21, 2004, 08:38:00 AM: and I just happen to have some osage slats and bamboo that Dianne got me for Christmas last year :D ...timing couldn't have been better JD! Really excellent work on explaining things. :bigsmyl:

as McDonalds likes to say in their commercials..."I'm lovin' it"!
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 21, 2004, 08:43:00 AM: lilhunter, dang your getting ahead of me:) what your seeing is an 18" 3/16" center lam, its put in to keep the handle area from bending, my slats are 7/16" - 1/2" when glue up and I feel like that area needs additional beefing up.

There reason the Bulls in the shop is that I don't have ceilings bid enough to have it in the house... believe me I've tried:)

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: AZStickman on January 21, 2004, 09:09:00 AM: That makes sense... :D ..Terry
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 21, 2004, 11:13:00 AM: Way cool J.D.! This will help with that "What am I gonna do with that 4th set of slats" problem I got.

-Tom

p.s. I know where to get the garrolite and when you add it on, but I forgot how thick it was and if you used Urac for it.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: StanM on January 21, 2004, 11:25:00 AM: Appreciate all you guys who do the build-alongs :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Madpigslayer on January 21, 2004, 01:02:00 PM: Is it my birthday or sumpin? this is fantastic JD!
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 21, 2004, 01:42:00 PM: Thanks guys for all the input... I plan on working the bamboo backing down after work today, so the pictures will be posted later tonight.

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 21, 2004, 01:48:00 PM: Dang Tom, forgot to answer your question on the garolite... I got the piece from Greg Coffey, you can order it in .125 thickness which is 1/8" and 36x1.5 inch strips... I was out of ea-40 smooth-on so I used industrial strength thick super glue.

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Dano on January 21, 2004, 02:31:00 PM: Great "build-a-long" JD, I'll be watching and learning. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: rocdoc on January 21, 2004, 03:01:00 PM: Great build along JD! You just doin' this to keep us Oklahoma Newbies from comin' down to your shop and askin the same questions over and over again??? IT AIN'T GONNA WORK!

In fact....I'm supposed to go down to Ada to look at a drilling rig sometime soon. Thought I might stop by??
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: farmerboy on January 21, 2004, 03:18:00 PM: great build a long JD, we did good work. come on you have got to give me credit for something. i see my foot in the picture. ha ha

looks good anyways, good work.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Bob Barnes on January 21, 2004, 05:28:00 PM: JD... you are my hero :) This will be my very next project... thanks a bunch.
Bob
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: DCM on January 21, 2004, 06:07:00 PM: JD,

It looks like the slat is tapered in the last few inchs where you bend it. Is that just an optical illusion caused by the aluminum banding?

Also, I assume you just need a piece of banding about 12" long, that is a yard stick cut into 3 pieces. The backing and clamp must try to "walk" up the slat as you bend. Do you clamp it way tight or just let it slip a little?

Great build along and good timing too. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 21, 2004, 06:30:00 PM: David... I think I mention on one of the pic's about the strap being a yard stick cut in 3 pieces:) also mentioned the reason for clamping the strap before you make the bend, but I didn't mention how thick the bend area is thanks bud:) I taper the last 8" to around 3/8"... Just got in from work... gonna relax abit and head to the shop to look at some bamboo.

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Adam Keiper on January 21, 2004, 06:56:00 PM: JD, That's some really good stuff! All those little tidbits (like boiling w/ the strap on, clamping the strap prior to the bend, and heat torching, etc.) are the things that make a project work versus fail. Thanks alot for posting. :D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 21, 2004, 10:14:00 PM: added some pictures detailing how I draw shape and flatten the bamboo before recurving it.

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 21, 2004, 10:15:00 PM: link for those not wanting to go to page one.

http://groups.msn.com/Horseappleswebpage/bamboobackedstaticrecurve.msnw
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Stick & String on January 21, 2004, 10:22:00 PM: It's also nice to see different methods folks use during building, like tapering the Boo on a power sander vs. planing. I'm just starting my 1st BBO and even though it's not a static recurve, I'm hoping to gain a lot of valuble info. and watchouts from your postings/pics. Thanks for the build along!

S&S
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 21, 2004, 10:29:00 PM: Stick & String your right theres all kinds of ways and technics when building a simple lam bow, everything about my statics including the glue-up form mirrors my Phenom r/d flatbow all thats different is the static tips.

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Timo on January 21, 2004, 10:36:00 PM: Very well done J.D. I'm watching in earnest!
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Ralph Renfro on January 21, 2004, 11:02:00 PM: Way cool JD! You got my fever up so I finally went to the shop and roughed out the billets for my takedown. Just had to make some yeller dust. I see the three apprentices from Norman aren't around. Bet you can get a lot more accomplished that way. I've got a little story for you. Ralph :knothead:
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Chris R on January 22, 2004, 06:43:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by the Ferret:

Finally a build along by someone that knows what they are doing :bigsmyl:

:thumbsup:

Awesome static. :thumbsup:

Chris
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: the Ferret on January 22, 2004, 07:15:00 AM: Chris why the frowny face after my quote?

That statement was made as a compliment to the generosity and expertise of a man who makes awesome bows,is a true expert at it (in my opinion one of the top 3 wood bow builders in the country), and could make a living from doing it. (as opposed to a wood hack like myself)
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: AZStickman on January 22, 2004, 07:38:00 AM: Couldn't agree with ya more Mickey.... this is a special treat and I'm eating it up...... :D .. Terry
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: AZStickman on January 22, 2004, 07:43:00 AM: Man JD you make that Bandsaw work look easy...Very nice..... Terry
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Chris R on January 22, 2004, 08:17:00 AM: Ferret, :thumbsup: if you're a hack, I'd hate to see where I fall in line :rolleyes: Guys like JD Jones , Dean, Rusty, yourself and the rest are what make guys like me want to build bows.

Guys, I did have a frown after the quote, definately a thumbs up though, bad day and I read his quote wrong.

JD, I can't wait to see how this bow finishes.

Chris
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 22, 2004, 08:25:00 AM: "ok heres a recurve thats been took off the form"

I like how J.D. types. You can hear his Oklahoma drawl.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: wingnut on January 22, 2004, 08:42:00 AM: J.D.,

Dang now ya got me wanting to build a dang static and I don't even like recurves. :bigsmyl:
Nice tip on the use of dry heat while the wood is on the cull. I'll try that on the selfbows that I straighten on a cull.

I sure would like to come up one of these weekends and learn a thing or two.

Now get to work and finish this thing.

Mike
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: '46 on January 22, 2004, 09:15:00 AM: JD...Wow!, and thanks.

How come it all comes together without a hitch when you do it? :)

geo
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: rocdoc on January 22, 2004, 11:15:00 AM: That's odd Tom......I couln't tell nothin' strange 'bout his typin'. Sounds like perfic anglish ta me.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: tom sawyer on January 22, 2004, 03:58:00 PM: I can't believe I spent all that time rasping my bamboo down to near thickness, when I had the bandsaw sitting there. That alone was worth the time reading this thread. And I like the additional heating of the bent area, I do this a lot of times when I have a piece of wood on a form. Although, I think I've actually got some stuff too dry from being overly zealous about heat treating. Too dry resulting in that popping sound you hear just before your bow becomes a volunteer takedown.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 22, 2004, 04:06:00 PM: Lennie... just be carefull when using the bandsaw for reducing the boo, might not have any boo left on one side:) Also when I add dry heat to the bending area I'm realy just heating the metal strap which helps from not scorching the osage.

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: tom sawyer on January 22, 2004, 04:22:00 PM: As long as my fingers are the same length when I'm through, I consider my badnsawing effort to be successful. Grass grows fast, fingers don't.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Stick & String on January 23, 2004, 07:52:00 AM: JD, what size/type of bandsaw do you use? Is there a size you would suggest for cutting osage and other hard woods? I'll be looking for a used one down the road and need suggestions on hp ratings, size(12",14"), and manufacturer. Anyone heard of a Cummings Industrial Tool Band Saw? They send me a flyer this week and had a new 14", 3/4hp on sale for $229. Is this a good deal or piece of crapola?

S&S
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 23, 2004, 08:36:00 AM: S&S My bandsaw is an older type 12" craftsman, I've had it about 9yrs... it has a 1.8horse motor which is plenty enough to cut osage up to 4" thick, its been a workhorse for me but I know its limits, having a 3-T.P.I. blade is mainly what I use.... the cummings that you tal;k about is one of the taiwany made type, about the same as the Harbor Freight crap, stay away form them... If I was in the market to get another it would be a 14" delta, jet or grizzly, lots have been said about these three, even tho none are american made.

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 23, 2004, 08:54:00 AM: S&S I don't hesitate to buy Grizzly power tools. They're great people and their stuff is made to tighter tolerances. They have a 3/4 horse 14" saw for $320 and a 1hp 14" for $375. The 3/4 horse will serve you well for your purposes for years to come. It's the same saw they've been using at MoJam for 3 years. Someone finally managed to break a shaft on it last year but I'm sure a LOT of proper sawing practices were being violated to cause the failure. I'm surprized it went THAT long before breaking.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: rainman on January 23, 2004, 10:49:00 AM: S&S, it all depends on how much you want to spend on your bandsaw. Like J.D. said it is important to use the right blade for the job and make sure your saw is tuned properly. The big four mfg are Delta, Jet, Grizzly, and Powermatic. Delta does have one bandsaw being made in the U.S. That is their X5 series 14 inch, cost is $900. In my opinion the best 14" being made today is the powermatic: 1.5 horsepower, Carter bandsaw guides, 4" dusport, and a quick release blade tension release. Any of the above mentioned bandsaw have good warranties, Jet, Delta, and Powrmatic also have service centers in most big cities if anything goes wrong.

Semper Fi
Dan Raney
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Sal on January 23, 2004, 03:18:00 PM: Include me in the line of people waiting to kiss you for this great tutorial. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: RainCrow on January 23, 2004, 08:30:00 PM: Just a little Okie hint,... JD will give personal, one-on-one instruction for building this for a small bribe.

Who would have thought that a Master boyer could be bribed with something as simple as a plate full of chocolate chip cookies and a TALL glass of premium lager!

Sorry to let the cat out of the bag, JD. :bigsmyl:

Terry (in NY temporarily)
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 24, 2004, 01:45:00 AM: Dang Terry your aways from home:) Just finished heat bending the recurves in the bamboo backing, I hope to do a glue-up tommorrow with plenty of pictures... hello Sal mojamin this yr.?

JD

http://groups.msn.com/Horseappleswebpage/bamboobackedstaticrecurve.msnw?Page=3
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Sal on January 24, 2004, 01:59:00 AM: Yes, JD why wouldn't I? I always have a blast. Maybe this year I'll actually bring a bow.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Marc on January 24, 2004, 07:39:00 AM: Very nice JD. I also have thinned Bamboo with a Bandsaw, it's tricky. Do you have any problems with tip alignment and string tracking?
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: wingnut on January 24, 2004, 10:22:00 AM: JD,

what is the lining on the bending jig made of? And what is the radius of the bend?

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: RainCrow on January 24, 2004, 10:42:00 AM: Yep, JD, I'm here until the middle of Feb. When I get back, we're hoping to have another session with ya! Mike and I are planning on bringing Lance P. down to learn to do the BBO thing. He has a starter that Sparky sent him, and ifn he doesn't screw it up like I did my first, then maybe we can show him how to do it right.

JohnBow's also got one to finish, and we (Mike and I) are ready to start another one.

Ralph really likes the one that we built for him. Named it "Woo-Woo". I'll let him explain that.

Later,

Terry
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: RainCrow on January 24, 2004, 10:49:00 AM: Terry

I would say that how JD shapes the handle area is the hardest thing to master. I always leave too much wood there, and he keeps telling me to take a little more off around the dips and fades. #49 file is a must have!
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 24, 2004, 11:24:00 AM: Mike, the bend is just past 90* what your seeing covering the form is another strap of aluminium... its screwed to the bottom and hammered to the shape, which mostly I bent with my hands, I then screwed it to the cut out opening... what I found out is that the wooden form was leaving marks on my selfbow statics when clamped tite while wet, even tho it was smooth the grain would impregnate on to the back of the stave... by adding the smooth strap all was fixed:)
Lance, Mike answered the question very good, altho I hardly never sand the nodes down flat, heard to many stories about splinters lifting
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: John Sturtevant on January 24, 2004, 11:51:00 AM: Mr. H. Apple,

Great idea on the static build along! Commendable that you're taking the time to share your wisdom.
It would be OK if you took a few days off work next week to keep the pictures coming. :)

J Sturtevant
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Java Man on January 24, 2004, 12:00:00 PM: Nice work JD. Keep em coming.

Gregg
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: DCM on January 24, 2004, 01:18:00 PM: Dang, I gotta have a form with recurves in it for the glue up?
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 24, 2004, 05:02:00 PM: easy Sturdevant, if I take off much more days I'll not be able to harass you Iowa boys at mojam... heres the steps on how I go about getting everything glued up...doing a build along is time consuming, I appreciate the nice words here on the tradgang... I posted this on the *********** and it got lost without any replies.. quess where my home page is set or not set:)

JD

http://groups.msn.com/Horseappleswebpage/bamboobackedstaticrecurve.msnw?Page=4
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: DCM on January 24, 2004, 05:24:00 PM: I'm not clear on the shape of the center lam JD. Is it like a simple triangle or do you leave a flat under the handle or is it like a diamond? I assume you leave the peak of the triangle to the back side.

Real find build along bud. Real fine. You do a great service. I love that trick to leave the end posts out until you get the centers set. Simple, effective, clever.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Buckeye on January 24, 2004, 05:32:00 PM: Very cool job! I like the center lam stuff the best and the end post thing will make things much easier on the next BBO. I might just give the recurve thing a shot soon. Now show us the tillering process and I will be REAL happy. Seems like there will not be much working limb on one of these rascals.

B

Thanks!
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Timo on January 24, 2004, 06:43:00 PM: JD, very well done sir!

My questions is, were do you set the end block? Do you have a mark on the side of the bow? Or is that one of those,"Oh about so far" things? :D :confused:
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 24, 2004, 06:52:00 PM: David, the 18" center lam is nothing but a filler for thickening the handle area... it can be any wood with my measurements being 1.5"X18" and 1/4" thick all I do is taper from the center to the ends that way when its all said and done it will be feathered at the ends and around 3/16" at the center... clear as mud...

Brian your right not much limb movement on these bows, makes for a really fast shooter... gonna take it out of the hotbox around 7pm it'll be one ugly sucker:)

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 24, 2004, 06:56:00 PM: woops sorry Tim we crossed in cyberspace... your right there is no mark but I like to get the post just forward of the sharpest bend in the recurve... you don't want it on the straight part of the limb or you'll get a flat spot instead of a slight curve just at the static

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Flinttim on January 24, 2004, 07:28:00 PM: I hope we archive this one !! Darn it JD, just when I thought I would take a break from bowmaking you come up with this ! You're killing me , son ! :D

Just happens I know this feller with some osage slats, purpleheart, paudak, etc.LOL.

On the Urac, what's the open time on that stuff ? Plenty of time for clamping ? Also, would Resourcinal work too ?
I found one of those alum yardsticks at work the other day, and the letterign was worn to the point where you couldn't read it. I knew it had a use somewhere.

You mention the slats are qtr sawn. Other cuts would work too ?

You da' man JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Mike Byrge@home on January 24, 2004, 09:01:00 PM: This is great JD...thanks for taking the time to put it on here.

Mike
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: countrygirl on January 24, 2004, 09:39:00 PM: Hi J.D. I have been watching your build along..it is very interesting. Dina
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 24, 2004, 11:02:00 PM: Ok I'm plum tuckered out... got the handle glued on and letting it dry, I need a break:) I'll try and start the tillering in the next day or two... if you need a question asked and or just to shy you can e-mail me @ [email protected] I really enjoy this but its nerve racking:) below is page 5 of the link.

JD

http://groups.msn.com/Horseappleswebpage/bamboobackedstaticrecurve.msnw?Page=5
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: huntsmanlance on January 25, 2004, 04:19:00 AM: Awesome JD! I ordered a #49 rasp....when it gets here ill be ready to go! I look forward to meeting you guys and getting your advice!
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Stick & String on January 25, 2004, 09:17:00 AM: JD, great photos and info., can't wait to see you tiller that baby! When your all finished, maybe you would have time to give us some details on how to do that spiral type of handle wrap.

S&S
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 25, 2004, 09:44:00 AM: Dale, I'd be more than happy to post a skifed handle build along, would be much easier than this one:)

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: the Ferret on January 25, 2004, 10:35:00 AM: Building bows is a lot easier than doing a build along eh JD? Setting up pics, making sure the pic tells the story, remembering to explain in enough detail, it takes like 3 times as long to build a bow when you are doing a build along!

... once one does a build along he REALLY appreciates when someone else does one.I appreciate you doing this one, that's for sure :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Richard Saffold on January 25, 2004, 02:33:00 PM: "Oh that looks real nice" :D
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: farmerboy on January 25, 2004, 04:49:00 PM: JD, how's the bow coming. everything looks good and looks like your almost done. keep up the good work even though you are tuckered out. you get to rest at work this week.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Flinttim on January 25, 2004, 09:26:00 PM: Anybody know what the radius of the bending jig is ?
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Timo on January 25, 2004, 10:08:00 PM: "Fixin to",and "buttered up"! LOL

Love the eloquent speech there J.D.! :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 25, 2004, 10:16:00 PM: Tim... not sure about the radius, but the angle is a tad past 90* The experience that I've had with Urac is that I can get about 6 months tops from first opening the can... clamping will depend on how warm you have your shop, if its around 80* you have about 20 minutes... 70* about 15 minutes if your shop is cooler than 70* you can bring the material thats going to be glue into your house to let them warm up then take back out and start the glue up... i always get my liquid part of the Urac to in house temp. Can answer your ? about resourcinal never used it... I've used clear, quarter and edge grain and see no difference in the finished bow, you just have to be more carefull on the quarter and edge the knots will go from side to side instead of belly to back... I glued up another recurve tonight but it was one of my working type curves.

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Chris R on January 25, 2004, 11:58:00 PM: Beautiful work. I've always wanted to try a curve, still don't know if I'm up to it. :)

Chris
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: WoodChips on January 26, 2004, 01:19:00 AM: This is really great stuff. Thanks for sharing this JD. Now you got me wanting to build one of these. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: rocdoc on January 26, 2004, 01:45:00 AM: JD....just now got finished here on the rig. See'n as it's almost 1:00am, I thought maybe I shouldn't come over. I'll be by to see ya soon though!
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on January 26, 2004, 08:40:00 AM: rocdoc...to bad for not showing up, could've had t-bones and baked potatoes:)

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 26, 2004, 08:45:00 AM: One of the coolest build alongs yet. I love how ya get real precise with things like "seems to" and "hopefully"

Ever run into any problems using a handle piece made from multiple lams? - such as several 1/8" lams of osage and walnut? These would have been glued up into a billet ahead of time, of course.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: hickstick on January 26, 2004, 09:44:00 AM: can you say DOH?

Quote
also not in the picture is that I don't add the end post until I've clamped down both middle post.
Last glue up after clamping down one midlimb I struggled away precious minutes trying to fight the other midlimb down...wish I woulda thought of this tip earlier....slide the end posts in after.....DOH!
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Flinttim on January 26, 2004, 11:48:00 AM: JD, you mention using the "Dean " pattern. A lot of us have used that pattern and have it already. One question though. Obviously this recurve will have a lot less working limb. Do you stretch the pattern some or make it wider some ? My pattern is just shy of 1 and 3/4 wide at the fades. (I'd rather take some off as opposed to putting some back on if you catch my drift )

Also would other backings work here, such as hickory ? Might be a crapshoot on that one , heh ?

I have a friend that brought back some baleen from AK. He wants me to try it on a bow. This might be a good one to try on once I've built a few.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: rocdoc on January 26, 2004, 12:08:00 PM: Damn JD! I had tuna and crackers! If you'd told me that earlier, I woulda shut the rig down and come to Ada! ;-)
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: John Sturtevant on January 26, 2004, 01:26:00 PM: JD, you better quit missing work then. Hate to see to see you miss mojam, and we're hoping you bring your fart machine again. :)

Looking forward to watching you tiller the bow.
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Post by: horseapple on January 26, 2004, 01:45:00 PM: John, my sons fart machine was a hoot:) I forgot to mention and should've on the first page, that when you go to my website with the build along, under the view click on list view instead of grid view, it shows the printed caption at the side.
32* here with spitting snow.
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Post by: countrygirl on January 27, 2004, 12:50:00 AM: Hi JD....how are the bows coming along? Dina
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Post by: horseapple on January 27, 2004, 01:02:00 AM: Dina, your up late, your bow is sleeping in the house right now, temp. outside is around 20* got to trace out the outline of the handle on the boo and then shape the flares, I like getting the handle smoothed into the limbs before I start the tillering.

Tom about the multi-lam handle, I've done a couple and they turned out looking fine, instead of a glued up chunk of lams I glued each 1/8" together all at once, they bent just fine with the belly curve, hardest part was keeping all of em' from slipping while clamping them:)

JD
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Post by: countrygirl on January 27, 2004, 12:27:00 PM: I was up late...I worked late teaching and it took me a lil while to unwind.

I keep checking for new pics. :)
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Post by: Dave Bulla on January 27, 2004, 11:36:00 PM: Wow! Now this is a good build along!

Talk about pictures being worth a thousand words. There's an entire how to book's worth of info condensed to a couple pages here and amazingly it's all pretty self explanatory. Sure makes me wish I had about a grand to spend on power tools and a place to put them. Really looking forward to the rest of the process. You gonna show all the details of the finish work J.D.? Like how to make them fancy overlays and the skived leather for the handle.

By the way, where in OK are you? I'm flying back and forth between DFW and Kansas City every week and might end up driving sometime soon. Gonna have to bring the truck back up to MO to reregister it. Are you anywhere near I 35? It'd be kinda fun to stop by if ya didn't mind.
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Post by: horseapple on January 28, 2004, 12:11:00 AM: Dina... should have some updated pic's as soon as tommorrow night, worked on 3 English longbows tonight low 20's but I had the stove blaring, just made sure I was about a foot away to keep warm:)

Dave, heck yeah I'm in it for the long haul now, got to show every little detail, its kindof hard when your not used to taking pic;s and writting down details, real easy to skip something and say hey, I better take a picture of this:) Your more than welcome to stop in and visit as is anybody else thats ever around Southern OK. check your map I'm about 30 miles east of I-35 in Ada,OK you can't miss the turn off, its at Pauls Valley, OK theres a sign saying E.C.U which is the colledge here in Ada... East Central University... give me a call next time your close.

JD
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Post by: Bogaman on January 28, 2004, 06:43:00 AM: JD, I've really enjoyed your build along. Have learned some new things. So, when will the video be coming out.8^) Steve
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Post by: huntsmanlance on January 28, 2004, 07:03:00 AM: JD when is a good time for ya? I dont wanna get in the way but would love to see how it is done and i can bring along the BBO stave Sparky made me!

and Dina you lucky woman! I hope ya like the new bow!!!
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Post by: farmerboy on January 28, 2004, 10:19:00 PM: hey horseapple.....hows the bow coming along.
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Post by: horseapple on January 28, 2004, 11:16:00 PM: Well guys, I had a helper tonight named rocdoc... he'll be the person taking all the pic's... I'm in the process of adding them to the site, just around 50 of em:) might be up late, but I can tell you its looking pretty sharp, I hope Dina likes it... I'll post the updated page when its ready... dang I'm tired, musta uhstrung the sucker 100 times

JD
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Post by: farmerboy on January 28, 2004, 11:45:00 PM: JD,
what did you feed rocdoc, steak and potatoes.or did you feed him tuna and crackers. did yall get the bow done, ha ha.

Bryan
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Post by: countrygirl on January 28, 2004, 11:48:00 PM: JD...I am sure I will love it!!!!!!!! Can't wait to see the pics!
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Post by: horseapple on January 28, 2004, 11:59:00 PM: rocdoc ate before he got here... KFC for me, I really appreciated him coming down and visiting, I put him to work. Haven't finished the tiller yet, 45#@22" three more inches to go:)I ran out of space on the msn webpage thats seems weird because ferret has hundreds of pictures any clue why guys... I also downsized each one before attaching them... says I can buy more space... help

JD
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Post by: rocdoc on January 29, 2004, 12:38:00 AM: Dina.....I think you're gonna be well pleased with the bow. I got JD straightened out on the tiller and it's coming along nicely ;-)

I think I'm gonna bring my sleeping bag next time JD....I could camp out there for 3 or 4 days and have you straightened out by the time I left.

All kiddin' aside....thanks for taking the time to show me a few things....wish I coulda stayed longer!

JD MAKES SOME BEAUTIFUL BOWS!!!!
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Post by: hickstick on January 29, 2004, 12:54:00 AM: wow thats looking nice jd. you make it look easy! :D
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Post by: rocdoc on January 29, 2004, 01:09:00 AM: Just HAD to show the BOOTS didn't ya JD!!!
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Post by: hickstick on January 29, 2004, 01:13:00 AM: I was gonna comment rocdoc but don't knoe you well enough :)
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Post by: horseapple on January 29, 2004, 01:14:00 AM: Doug, you knew I would rednecks wear redwings:) ok 109 pictures, heres the link starting at where I left off page 7

JD

http://groups.msn.com/Horseappleswebpage/bamboobackedstaticrecurve.msnw?Page=7
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Post by: leftybearfan on January 29, 2004, 01:32:00 AM: horseapple......Great job :thumbsup: You are definitely an artist (pronounced "ar-teest") :D Can't wait to see how it turns out.
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Post by: Timo on January 29, 2004, 07:22:00 AM: Very nice again J.D.! Pretty groovy set of pics there! :D

Thanks for the lessons! :thumbsup:
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Post by: Dano on January 29, 2004, 08:00:00 AM: This installment was great!! Thanks J.D. :thumbsup:
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Post by: Java Man on January 29, 2004, 08:12:00 AM: JD,

This is superb! Pictures are worth a thousand words, and your pics are great. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:

Gregg
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Post by: Tom Leemans on January 29, 2004, 08:49:00 AM: J.D. I kinda get the picture but I had heard at one time that you should leave the tips a bit wide at first and narrow them later. Maybe that was on a recurved selfbow, I can't remember. You got any guidelines like that?
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Post by: Doug Campbell on January 29, 2004, 09:02:00 AM: JD,

Great post and pictures but you sure kept me up late last night ;) Thanks a bunch :thumbsup:
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Post by: countrygirl on January 29, 2004, 09:38:00 AM: SWEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttt!
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Post by: rocdoc on January 29, 2004, 10:09:00 AM: Ya could be a redneck if.....yur dancin' boots an yur church boots both say redwing on the little tag. ;-)
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Post by: John Scifres on January 29, 2004, 12:23:00 PM: Nice job JD. How are you gonna wrap the handle? You gonna do it online for us? You must eat up a lot of belt sander belts. You butcher deer with that thing too?
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Post by: horseapple on January 29, 2004, 01:20:00 PM: just got a break from my real job:) yes Tom my tips are 3/4" when I first bend them and after I get the bow bending on the tillering string to about 5" brace height, then I narrow the tips to around 1/2"
John, yep I'm gonna show the process I go thru to get the leather handle wrap, also tip overlay work... hows the tiller look to you guys?
JD
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Post by: DCM on January 29, 2004, 06:35:00 PM: Looks perty much dead nuts to me JD but what do I know. I'm like 700 and sumpin bows behind you. That right fade catches my eye for some reason. Picture is just too poor to make any sense of it. Maybe a shadow or something. How about a daylight full draw once she's all smoothed off and gussied up.

http://home.midsouth.rr.com/ddmims/gt.jpg
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Post by: horseapple on January 29, 2004, 06:49:00 PM: David, you might be right, need to check it out... also the pic's are decieving not as pronounced as in real life... had to add a flash to make it show up.

JD
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Post by: kcdaniels on January 29, 2004, 06:58:00 PM: JD, Iam going to print this out and save!
You have wrote a entire book :D Thanks for taking the time to do all this, I know its alot of extra work.
Looking foward to that fancy handle wrap. :thumbsup:

Dan
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Post by: farmerboy on January 29, 2004, 10:27:00 PM: i heard horseapple is staying up late at night working on this build along. he put a tent in his shop and thats were he is sleeping. i hope he don't freeze to death its getting cold in ok at night. just kidding. he is doing a great job!! keep up the good work. cant wait until more pics
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Post by: Glasspoint on January 29, 2004, 10:41:00 PM: Thanks for the look inside your head :thumbsup: !
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Post by: John Sturtevant on January 30, 2004, 08:40:00 AM: Sure make it look easy JD. You only had to put it on the tiller tree a few times, and I have a path worn an inch deep in the concrete between my bench and the tree.
Humbling. :)

Also... You only use a rasp, scraper and a knee? If my wife saw that she'd wonder why I really need all these tools.

Nice Job!
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Post by: wart on January 30, 2004, 09:33:00 AM: Joe Don,
I'm proud that you used wart as part of your presentation. Enough lessons, just send me one. And one for the boys too.
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Post by: rocdoc on January 30, 2004, 12:13:00 PM: John....don't let the pics fool ya. He wore me out walkin' back and forth to his tiller tree!!!

The man has a keen eye for tillerin though. I had to lie a few times and tell him that I could see the problem spots too. I didn't want to look like a fool (which is why I asked him not to post the pic of me in my boots!!!)
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Post by: farmerboy on January 30, 2004, 01:57:00 PM: hey rocdoc what is wrong with your boots. i think horseapple has not ever seen a real working mans boots. oil feild is serious work.....
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Post by: the Ferret on January 30, 2004, 02:11:00 PM: I must say you're doing a heck of a job on posting and noting JD. A superb pictorial!
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Post by: rocdoc on January 30, 2004, 02:11:00 PM: Thanks farmerboy.....I don't think it's the boots so much as the way my pants are tucked into them :-) Hey, it's muddy at the rig!

Gotta have those steel toes working on the rig....even my houseshoes are steel toed.
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Post by: Todd O. on January 30, 2004, 10:15:00 PM: J.D.
Looks like you have come a long way since I stopped teaching you a few years ago. I hope to get up there tommorow, and give you some pointers. The bow looks great !!!!!!

Love,
your long lost pupil.....
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Post by: farmerboy on January 30, 2004, 10:27:00 PM: rocdoc, i think the pants in the boots are cool thing, i were mine like that sometimes. as you can tell by my name i was raised on a farm.......one thing about oil feild it is always a mess, i know i worked on a rig for two summers. hard work!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: horseapple on January 30, 2004, 11:19:00 PM: Dadburnit Farmerboy, you spell worse than me:) I've wore out more steel toes than you've had shoes:) I pan on scraping the rind off the boo this weekend and adding the tip overlays... that is if it gets above freezing:)

JD
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Post by: horseapple on January 30, 2004, 11:21:00 PM: Todd by the sound of you adding weight I might not recognize you :D
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Post by: Todd O. on January 30, 2004, 11:26:00 PM: MUSCLE WEIGHS MORE THAN FAT !!!!!!!

BY THE WAY DID'NT YOU TURN 40 IN NOVEMBER ????
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Post by: horseapple on January 30, 2004, 11:30:00 PM: we'll talk about this tommorrow:) and yes you look very nice at a measly 212# :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Todd O. on January 30, 2004, 11:42:00 PM: I forgot how sensitive toy are. For those of you who have never seen him he is very handsome and athletic. My wife thinks he looks just like Sam Elliot. I look foward to tommorow it's been along time!!!!
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Post by: rocdoc on January 31, 2004, 12:36:00 AM: Man....I'd give anything to ONLY weigh 212# again!

Sam Elliot!!!!
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Post by: Charlie - SA on January 31, 2004, 08:50:00 AM: JD, not only can you make bows but you put together a fantastic tutorial. Man, think of all the aw $@#%s, 'nother peice of wood please, start overs, etc you've minimized for folks like me by putting this together. Thanks so much.
Are you going to show some of the handle wrap stuff? I appreciate you sharing how you do it last summer in Fort Worth, I'd like to see some pictures if possible, beg, grovel, please ,etc :D

Charlie - SA
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Post by: farmerboy on January 31, 2004, 10:38:00 AM: dadburnit horseapple you talk about my spelling. you PAN on working on bows today. what the crapt is PAN oh well have fun and don't freeze in your shop. if you can't get that fire started let me know i will have to come over and start it and keep it going so yall can work on bows today. good luck!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: rocdoc on February 01, 2004, 12:05:00 AM: JD....did you take the weekend off, or did you and Todd down a few cold ones and impair your ability to use the computer?

I'll be patiently waiting for the continued education.
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Post by: Todd O. on February 01, 2004, 02:36:00 AM: The computer would'nt have been much of a problem. I was worried about the bandsaw !!!!!
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Post by: rocdoc on February 01, 2004, 10:29:00 AM: Didn't even think about the power tools Todd! Maybe JD's wife should've unplugged them all and installed those childproof plugs in the outlets;-)
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Post by: Todd O. on February 01, 2004, 11:36:00 AM: I was just kidding. We were'nt able to get together last night. Being new to this site I would'nt want everyone thinking I'm some kind of bad enfluence on Joe Don. You know that old saying about a " First impression being a last impression"....
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Post by: horseapple on February 01, 2004, 09:20:00 PM: Alright guys, got the bow coming round pretty good, all that needs being done to finish is the staining, inking and gluing on the handle wrap... its been pretty fun but is quite the chore having to remember to take pictures at each process:) link is for page 10 to the end

JD

http://groups.msn.com/Horseappleswebpage/bamboobackedstaticrecurve.msnw?Page=10
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Post by: Todd O. on February 01, 2004, 09:36:00 PM: You ruined the suprise about the bow being for Christy !!! Guess I'll have to leave the weight where its at and keep this one for me. Man I hate to have another bow for myself !!!!!! Oh well, she'll probably never use it. Just like the new Ruger pistol I got HER for christmas last year...
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Post by: Timo on February 01, 2004, 10:03:00 PM: And the crowd goes wild!!!! Very well done J.D.! Especially liked the overlay segment! :thumbsup:
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Post by: trashwood on February 01, 2004, 10:12:00 PM: really good stuff

Rusty
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Post by: farmerboy on February 01, 2004, 10:16:00 PM: great job JD.... the bow looks awesome. hard work has payed off, now you can rest.
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Post by: rocdoc on February 01, 2004, 11:40:00 PM: Wow JD! This is some awsome information....I really think that you could publish this in a book form and sell it! You gotta admit it's much better instruction than you can get from most books; and by doing a static, the readers can make inferences for other types of bows.

I do hope you'll include some finishing tips....that way we'll all be able to make bows just as good as JD! YEAH....RIGHT!

Why didn't you make Todd tuck his pants in his boots for the pic?
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Post by: Marc on February 02, 2004, 07:23:00 AM: Looks really good, JD. How much tip backset did she keep?
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Post by: Dano on February 02, 2004, 08:00:00 AM: Nice J.D., thanks.
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Post by: horseapple on February 02, 2004, 08:32:00 AM: Marc, it's holding 2.5" when relaxed

JD
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Post by: DCM on February 02, 2004, 08:36:00 AM: I like that tip overlay. That and the arrow rest shaping really make a difference. Thanks.

Keep 'em coming.

Do you hang the bow to shoot clear, or wide on or what?
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Post by: wingnut on February 02, 2004, 09:13:00 AM: JD

About the leather, do You skive both edges of the strip? What grit sand paper do you use.

Man I love those overlays. I promise I won't copy em. LOL

Mike
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Post by: Gray Buffalo on February 02, 2004, 10:11:00 AM: It’s cool to watch a master at work. In my little world I calculated you have about 35 hours in that bow. No wonder a bow cost so much. @ 18.00 dollars per hour (average craft-mans wage) that’s $630 not counting materials and tool maintenance. Thanks for the look in to your world.
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Post by: horseapple on February 02, 2004, 02:20:00 PM: Mike, yes you taper both edges and if you've done the job right the leather strip will have a crown in the middle of the side that your sanding... I use contact cement on all surfaces and start my glueing at the rest area... do a test run like I show in the last picture, glueing your wrap at a certain spot will tell you how it will feel when you grip your bow, I like my left pointing finger to be in a groove in front... kindof like having 4 finger grooves... you can tell if you need to start your wrap at another spot because it won't feel right in the grip. I'll post another underside of the handle wrap finished.

Jerry, thanks for the kind words, I've kindof speeded the process on this bow hopefuylly without harming the results:) just kidding Dina...

JD
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Post by: horseapple on February 02, 2004, 05:58:00 PM: Sorry Mike... 36 grit paper:)

JD
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Post by: Todd O. on February 02, 2004, 07:27:00 PM: Rocdoc,
I thought about tucking my pants in my boots as an ode to you. But that is a look that is best reserved for Oilfield hands & 60 year old farmers. Besides they are lace ups. :bigsmyl:
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Post by: countrygirl on February 03, 2004, 12:33:00 AM: Hi JD...the bows look GREAT!! I knew ya were just teasing me! :thumbsup:
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Post by: horseapple on February 03, 2004, 12:46:00 AM: Dina, I thought you'd like that:) just like staining and spraying on the finish.

David, I hold the bow in the middle of the handle and spray one limb at a time, letting it set on a 1 inch wooden block where my fingers were to dry, might get a little smudge at that point but in will never show, handle covers it up:)

JD
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Post by: horseapple on February 03, 2004, 12:56:00 AM: ttt for the ones like me who get lost:)
JD
http://groups.msn.com/Horseappleswebpage/bamboobackedstaticrecurve.msnw?Page=10
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Post by: Marc on February 03, 2004, 06:31:00 AM: JD
I was sort of curious. I was looking at your nocks and they seem to be a bit on the bulky side. Do you make them like that for a purpose, such as insurance? Or perhaps it's for appearance? I have found that nocks can be reduced to quite small proportions and still maintain a margin of safety. I also have found that small nocks are a source of performance with less handshock thrown in.
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Post by: AZStickman on February 03, 2004, 07:36:00 AM: This has been a great build along JD... Thanks.... Terry
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Post by: horseapple on February 03, 2004, 08:25:00 AM: Bulky? they might be, 1/2" wide, but I've seen my share of thin narrow tips blow up, I've learned that on a hunting bow its more safe to have tips a little wider,specially when using fastflight strings... being that the curve is smaller than most 4" helps in less non bending material lightning up the tip in the long run... good question tho and I'm not trying to be defensive but when your building them for a customer its better to have them made for the long haul :bigsmyl:

JD
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Post by: Marc on February 03, 2004, 05:43:00 PM: Well maybe bulky wasn't quite the right word to use :) . That's why I said "insurance". I can't say I've ever had or seen a nock blow though and I've made them very small. Careless handling of the bow might do it though.
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Post by: Todd O. on February 03, 2004, 07:05:00 PM: Joe Don,
I personally think you have some of the prettiest NOCKERS.... Oops I mean NOCKS that I have ever seen!!! But then again I have seen them in person!!!! :thumbsup: :mad:
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Post by: horseapple on February 03, 2004, 07:13:00 PM: Ok Todd, you little cutie:) Marc... I went back and narrowed them some, thanks for the insight... I've added pages of my staining technique, which is really sophisticated:) hope ya'll like it.

JD

http://groups.msn.com/Horseappleswebpage/bamboobackedstaticrecurve.msnw?Page=14
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Post by: kcdaniels on February 03, 2004, 07:48:00 PM: JD, Thanks fo such a thorough "seminar".
Lots of good info here.
What do you use for a finish? I like Fullerplast,
I can spray multiple coats in a day and wrap the
handle in the evening :)

Dan
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on February 03, 2004, 08:34:00 PM: Dan, I used Fullerplast for a number of years, got to the point where it was over priced and had added haz-mat charges to ship it. I use a Sherwin Williams finish called Sher-Wood Water White Conversion Varnish, uses the same technique as fullerplast but is thinner out of the can and takes way less catalyst, the 2-quart catalyst will probably last enough for 10 gallons of finish... most Sherwin Williams stores can get it... cost was $23 for finish and $25 for the catalyst, it needs no thinning. Works great over the oily tropical woods.

JD
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Post by: leftybearfan on February 03, 2004, 08:38:00 PM: Great buildalong!!!! :thumbsup: I still have no idea how you guys have the patience to do it. I sure don't.

Can't wait to see what is next :D
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Post by: Timo on February 03, 2004, 08:48:00 PM: Love it, love it, love it! :thumbsup:

JD,have you tried other patterns with this technique?

How does this work on plane osage?Hickory?
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Post by: countrygirl on February 03, 2004, 08:50:00 PM: J.D..............Oh my gosh it beautiful...I can't wait to shoot her! Dina
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Post by: Doug Campbell on February 03, 2004, 09:32:00 PM: Man JD this is just gettin cooler and cooler!! You are very talented :thumbsup:
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Post by: Flinttim on February 03, 2004, 09:32:00 PM: JD , you got a head on you like a house cat. Wingnut tried to tell me how you done the stain but now it makes more sense. What's the powder stain mixed with ?

You don't stain the belly wood normally ?
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Post by: horseapple on February 03, 2004, 09:48:00 PM: Timo, the only other thing I've tried is different colors, I did stain a BBO belly and all like the fiddleback pattern, turned out different, darker but could still see some of the stripes in it.

Flintim, the dye that I use is mixed with warm water, haven't tried alchohol but I would think it would work, might penetrate better to.

Dina, what a ride, all thats left is inking the bow then spray finishing it.

JD
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Post by: the Ferret on February 03, 2004, 09:58:00 PM: OK I've decided after following this build along I can never again do another build along, lest people realize what a wood hack I really am...

Awesome JD, simply awesome!

JD best picture in the collection is the one of your daughter..she is a doll! You sure she's from Oklahoma?
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: rocdoc on February 04, 2004, 12:52:00 AM: "you sure she's from Oklahoma?"......Mickey, you've obviously never been on a good old Oklahoma hay ride with a cute little farmers daughter and a full moon in October.....Awe, the memories ;-)

Sorry JD; hope I didn't scare you with that....I've got 4 boys!

I thought I was going to be able to make a really nice bow.....seeing this I'm sure I'll be making some more trips to JD's house ;-)

How thick do you like your steaks JD???
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Post by: Flinttim on February 04, 2004, 06:31:00 AM: JD I have 3 daughters. I always said that I would shoot the 1st boy that came hangin' around and hang him from the mailbox to warn off the others.I feared jail I guess so I never done it. Now that I look back on it--I'd be getting out of jail pretty soon.
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Post by: wingnut on February 04, 2004, 08:22:00 AM: Dang it J.D. just when I start feeling cocky that I can build a passable bow, you go ahead and show us all up.

This is the best build along I've seen even in the books.

One question, you kinda skipped over the prep work before finishing. What was the technique and paper progression used on sanding the bamboo to get that "never a tool mark" finish?

Also are you spraying the varnish or wiping?

Mike
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on February 04, 2004, 08:48:00 AM: Heck Mike you know how to finish bows :) After I've scraped the rind off I sand with 80 grit paper to 150 and finish with 220, then I steel wool the bamboo hard, just the bamboo, after that I rub the bow down with acetone to remove any steel wool fibers which the acetone will melt and also it will dry the oily woods some, caution when cleaning woods like paduak and darker colored red woods that bleed the acetone will actually harm the appereance of your osage, letting the dark exotic woods to bleed into the osage, I clean the bleedy wood bows up with mineral spirits:)

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on February 04, 2004, 08:54:00 AM: forgot, thanks for the kind words about my Daughter Mickey, she's a keeper for sure hardly never has a bad day and is filled with joy... She was excited that her picture was on the web:)
Also have a 12yr son that loved mojam last yr. I've got to get him in the album to he's took quite a few pictures for me.

Off to work later guys

JD
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Post by: Robert Reed on February 04, 2004, 10:18:00 AM: another thumbsup for a great buildalong JD.Thanks for taking the time. :thumbsup:
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Post by: John Sturtevant on February 04, 2004, 05:36:00 PM: Mr. Jones, it's been fun watching this. Great job!

I'll be looking forward to a new one of these every week?
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Post by: Dano on February 04, 2004, 05:51:00 PM: Great build-alond JD, learned alot, thanks for takeing the time to do such a good job. :thumbsup:
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Post by: Bob Barnes on February 04, 2004, 08:09:00 PM: WOW... :) thanks JD... you are my Hero.
"I added solvent over the finish to enhance the look.."??? what kind of 'solvent' did you add over the stain before adding the finish...?
Bob
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Post by: Java Man on February 04, 2004, 08:23:00 PM: Awesome, JD!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Post by: kcdaniels on February 04, 2004, 08:38:00 PM: JD,
might have been covered but I did'nt see it,
is the bottom limb the same length as the top limb or shorter?
Thanks,
Dan
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on February 04, 2004, 08:47:00 PM: Heck Bob I don't remember the brand of the solvent:) I get it from wally-world...
KC, I make all my bows with even limb length, I think they balance in my hands better.

JD
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Post by: Darryl on February 05, 2004, 12:10:00 PM: JD,

Wow! What beautiful work!

It reminds me of a saying one of my past employers used to say to me. When I was in High School I worked at a butcher shop. He would say, "Darryl, I am a meat-cutter and you are a butcher"

JD you are a bowyer and I am a butcher. :)
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Bob Barnes on February 05, 2004, 05:36:00 PM: what is the solvent for and how do you use it?
thanks,
Bob
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Post by: wingnut on February 05, 2004, 05:44:00 PM: I believe JD just wiped down the bow with solvent to bring out the highlights for the picture.

Mike
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Post by: boman jacob on February 05, 2004, 05:51:00 PM: looks good. I need to come and visit some time so you can teach me one on one.

>>>----------> Jacob
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Post by: rocdoc on February 06, 2004, 09:22:00 PM: ttt for Ted!
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Post by: Todd O. on February 06, 2004, 09:42:00 PM: probably a dumb question but what does ttt mean?? I'm new at this computer term thing. I'm also kinda slow!! ;)
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on February 06, 2004, 10:07:00 PM: Well Todd if you have to know what ttt means here you go.... toddtheturd :smileystooges: no really it means, to the top

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on February 06, 2004, 10:11:00 PM: heres the link for Tedd so he doesn't have to read all the gooey stuff:)

http://groups.msn.com/Horseappleswebpage/bamboobackedstaticrecurve.msnw
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Todd O. on February 06, 2004, 10:15:00 PM: why can't you just love me, and accept my stupidity??? :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Bob Barnes on February 06, 2004, 10:16:00 PM: oh JD...what you said to Todd... :) feelin full of P and V as dad used to say.. ? LOL.

I'm still curious about what you use solvent for and how and why you use it...? I always have just used finish over the stain...

Bob
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on February 06, 2004, 10:24:00 PM: your right Bob that was uncalled for, would you please apologize to Todd for me:) Wingnut answered your? in an earlier post... I use the mineral spirits to bring out the look of what the bow we look like when I put the finish on... nothing but a look see into what and how the finish will turn out to be... it dries in a few minutes so it doesn't add moisture...

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Todd O. on February 06, 2004, 10:34:00 PM: Joe Don there are a few misspelled words in your last post!!! Better get that ENCYCLOPEDIA you keep next to the computer!!!!!!!!!!!! :bigsmyl: :bigsmyl: :p
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Post by: horseapple on February 06, 2004, 11:10:00 PM: maybe someone can post this as a picture, this is where I ended:) the form is a modification of Dean Torges, his might be a touch cleaner without all the glue boogers on the base:) web page (http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=showMyPhoto&albumID=115002086&photoID=116596822&security=cZhmKC)

JD
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Post by: Bob Barnes on February 07, 2004, 12:28:00 AM: OK...now I understand...I'm always so careful not to get anything on a bow that I'm about to finish, that I wasn't sure what you were putting on yours...I'm kinda slow, but thanks for the explanation... :)
Couldn't see the pic in the last post...?
Bob
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Post by: farmerboy on February 07, 2004, 10:01:00 AM: JD...you make fun of me for spelling bad i think you should listen to Todd O and use that book and spell correctly..oh i guess your doing good for typing with one finger.....

Bob is right.. I could not see that picture or what ever. try again.

i want to see that purdy thang...........
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Post by: horseapple on February 07, 2004, 10:30:00 AM: www.webshots.com (http://community.webshots.com/photo/115002086/116596822cZhmKC)
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Post by: Brian Halbleib on February 07, 2004, 10:35:00 AM: You have some beautiful bows there horseapple, thanks for sharing.

-Brian
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Post by: Keith Deters on February 07, 2004, 10:35:00 AM: You show me how to do those brush nocks next and I'll be your bestest friend...
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Post by: Mike Hames on February 07, 2004, 11:40:00 AM: JD, when I click on Webshots for the photo, a photo of Hinge with a loin cloth keeps coming up.
HAH.
Hope you got some rest after a late night on the computer.

Mike..OK
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Todd O. on February 07, 2004, 02:50:00 PM: farmerboy,
I think we better quit picking on JD. He might be getting mad at us!!!! :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on February 07, 2004, 09:49:00 PM: OK guys this is it...last segment is starts on page 15, what a job:) had pressure the whole time thinking that this bow was going to go like the other build alongs lately... it weathered the storm:) finished her today... if I failed to mention it earlier this bow is going to a fellow tradgang by the name of Dina Voutour aka countrygirl, I hope she will be pleased with it... also thanks for all the kind words that have been said, I appreciate them... maybe next we'll do a R/D Phenom:)

Friends in Archery

JD Jones

http://groups.msn.com/Horseappleswebpage/bamboobackedstaticrecurve.msnw?Page=15
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Post by: huntsmanlance on February 07, 2004, 10:02:00 PM: Hey JD i have the perfect BBO stave to use for the Phenom! If ya dont mind another "Okie" pestering ya! :D

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UwA3AwYZdA7*veMdy2fBSyYtiBhATmHDQIH*5bRp0AxuIaphnYLmsCXDqwxkq!WDKT0n5S1pbXdcw2EFi7rXXlAefiZrrNrdz16xSgDyMr8hOL6FJnjBI!cwxpumUjLm/New%20Bows%20010.jpg?dc=4675450106221626586)

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UwDcAg0ZQRD*veMdy2fBSyYtiBhATmHDfQjnXk3*2uWQz0!x5WPAhmF*iOSN7R3cwzQOaTMWSpMJWM2HbMuVua43X0YBMDaVD8wT7V5BoG7vxiiSvAnGUfEMoZ8mTKAI/New%20Bows%20008.jpg?dc=4675450106220083579)
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on February 07, 2004, 10:16:00 PM: Wow Lance, thats a nice one... is that the blank that you got from Roger? We'll pick a date and time to get that bow bending... How was the Bow councils banquet?

JD
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Post by: Todd O. on February 07, 2004, 10:46:00 PM: The bow turned out great. Can I have all my mounts back now that you've taken the picture?? :bigsmyl:
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Post by: countrygirl on February 08, 2004, 12:11:00 AM: Hi J.D....just got a good look at the photos...the bow is absolutely beautiful and I can't wait to get my hands on it!! The check went out today. Dina
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Post by: countrygirl on February 08, 2004, 12:12:00 AM: P. S. what spine arrows do you suggest? Dina
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Post by: leftybearfan on February 08, 2004, 12:29:00 AM: Horseapple.... Great looking bow and fantastic buildalong.
:thumbsup:

BTW, I sent you a PM.
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Post by: huntsmanlance on February 08, 2004, 12:36:00 AM: JD Yep that is the one the he put together for me! I finally got the right files to use on it....but unsure what to do now and would sure appreciate your guidance!!! The BCO Banqyuet was good....i got to meet Roger and Vernon of Black Widow bows!!! and of course i got to hold/draw all the different styles of bow! LOL

Dina that is an awesome looking bow!!! Im sure your going to love shooting it!!! Congrats!
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Post by: AZStickman on February 08, 2004, 09:06:00 AM: Been playing catch up here.....That is one gorgeous bow JD..... from tiller to finish....Thanks for sharing a wealth of information...... Terry
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on February 08, 2004, 09:49:00 AM: Absolutely beautiful bow, JD. Awesome buildalong.
Jawge
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on February 08, 2004, 10:39:00 AM: Dina, I would start with 40-45# having a shorter arrow is going to stiffen things up.

JD
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: farmerboy on February 08, 2004, 11:07:00 AM: Todd O. I think JD knows that we are just joking around. he is a great guy.

JD... glad that you got it done. it looks awesome, sure countrygirl will love it. thanks for taking time to show us all. lets do another one. i will bring some wood over to start the fire.
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: Todd O. on February 08, 2004, 01:30:00 PM: Yeah, he's probably over it by now.Let's start pickin' on him again!!!!!
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Post by: rocdoc on February 08, 2004, 10:22:00 PM: farmerboy. that firewood about 1 5/8" wide and 5/8" thick? I got some of that too! ;-)
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Post by: Chris R on February 09, 2004, 05:36:00 AM: J.D., gorgeous bow! :thumbsup: and execllent build along :thumbsup:

Lance, you lucky dog, I'm sure with a mentor like J.D., you'll have yourself one heck of a bow :cool:

Chris
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Post by: rainman on February 18, 2004, 05:03:00 PM: Mickey are you guys going to archive this build along if it is okay with J.D. And if you want one of those Grobet files let me know I can get them here in St. Louis.

Semper Fidelis
Dan Raney
Title: Re: Bamboo backed static build along
Post by: horseapple on March 18, 2004, 09:04:00 PM: ttt for Dina
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Post by: countrygirl on March 18, 2004, 09:07:00 PM: Wow JD...that was quick! Thanks, Dina