Post by: Osagetree on March 09, 2005, 09:09:00 PM
Anyway's, now that I have the selfbow thing down pretty well, I thought I would try something else this year. The thought was to build a laminated all wood bow to match the turkey call I like so well, you know from the same wood's.
Here is a sketch of my idea. Some of the wood is already cut. Look at the pic's and you should be able to make out my idea.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/a167ba49.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/untitled.jpg)
Post by: ky boy on March 09, 2005, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: Osagetree on March 09, 2005, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: the Ferret on March 09, 2005, 10:28:00 PM
Should be pretty.
Post by: ky boy on March 09, 2005, 10:37:00 PM
Post by: DCM on March 10, 2005, 08:13:00 AM
Post by: the Ferret on March 10, 2005, 08:31:00 AM
Post by: Osagetree on March 10, 2005, 06:58:00 PM
My Dad always said "Listen to My advice! Wether you take it or not." That is what I plan to do here.
I have no experience with laminating wooden bow's, please remember this is new to me and I no nothing except bits and pieces from I've learned from conversations read here at "Tradgang". From there I get my owm idea of how I am going to get it done.
I believe some of you may have gotten the idea that a turkey call is some how going to be built into the bow. Wrong!
It is intended to match a special box call I made. Both bow and call made of the same wood's, cut local here in Southern, Ohio.
Let me just take a pic of the call and that will clear it up,,, maybe!
Here is the call
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/call-1.jpg)
The paddle is laminated osage,wildcherry & walnut. One wildcherry sound board and one osage sound board.The blocks are half walnut and half osage and it has a walnut base. If you dont know box calls that may be french to ya! But you should still get the idea.
Post by: longbowhntr on March 10, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
Quick question.. How different are the sounds from the sound boards? Does one have a higher pitch?
I've been thinking about trying to make some of those. Just what I need one more thing to make.lol
Thanks David
Post by: Osagetree on March 10, 2005, 08:12:00 PM
:knothead:
The osage does have a little higher pitch than the wild cherry. The osage, clucks, purrs and putts great! Maybe because the osage is more dense wood? I made a box call totaly out of osage, but traded it for more wood.It sounded really good!
I would like to see a pic of your call if you get a round to it! I plan on posting more on this project so stay tuned.
Post by: longbowhntr on March 10, 2005, 08:20:00 PM
David
Post by: Osagetree on March 10, 2005, 08:51:00 PM
I don't even know if this will work!
Frame is made from scrape wood, nails and used tractor tire tubes. Total cost $0.00 It is 62" long with 1 3/4" reflex, holes are drilled to slide nails through to hold the rubber strips, rubber alternating sides 1" apart.
The idea is to strech the rubber up and over the bow wood laminates and impale it on the other sharp end of the nail to hold rubber band taught. Thus avoiding a loan for c-clamps :knothead:
Stay Tuned for more on this project!
All comments are welcome and are respected!
Post by: Osagetree on March 11, 2005, 07:42:00 PM
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I can't believe you all have had nothing to say of this contraption. It will probably be Monday before I can glue all this up!
Post by: cjones on March 12, 2005, 02:04:00 AM
Post by: DCM on March 12, 2005, 07:47:00 AM
Not to be critical but I am curious how the impaling will work. I'm hoping it doesn't tear the rubber.
I know a wrap will work, and apply plenty of pressure. I've used bands a lot but always wrapped. Rubber has a limited amount of stretch. If you pull it tight to this limit, you'll have a ton of pressure. I cut my bands a smidge more narrow than that (with truck tubes, bike tubes can be wide) for wrapping and it seems to work well.
Also, I like my slat to be 1/2" or so thick, 9/16" tops. Looks from here like that one is proud of that some.
I think the idea in general is a dandy. Curious to see how the rubbers work.
Post by: Osagetree on March 12, 2005, 06:13:00 PM
DCM- Could you describe this wrapping method you use in more detail? Please!
Post by: Osagetree on March 12, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
Had my hand wrapped under it at one point ,,, Felt like enough pressure but what do I know?
The impailing will be fine when that side of tube is doubled up.
Post by: Osagetree on March 13, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/l1-1.jpg)
Using the hickory to draw outline on osage slat.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/l2-1.jpg)
Cutting it just outside the lines,, I can take off wood quick with the band saw, but I can't get it back on there, so I leave it outside the lines.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/l3-1.jpg)
Close enough for me
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/l4-1.jpg)
The handle on my layout is 4" with 1 & 1/2" fades! I want to leave the handle area thick and shape it last,,, Undecided on handle style!
Maybe something like the last self bow I built, sort of a hybrid style,, so to speak.
Here is a picture of that handle, see what I mean?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/ex1.jpg)
Post by: Osagetree on March 13, 2005, 09:10:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/g1.jpg)
Get every thing close to hand. I don't know how quick this glue will set up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/g3-1.jpg)
Mix up the URAC 185, and use a sponge brush to apply the glue
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/g4-1.jpg)
Glue up both sides,,, maybe a little to much? But I say that's better than not enough!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/g5-1.jpg)
I thought this old wood roller I got from my Great Grand Father may help even out the glue line a bit,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/gg6-1.jpg)
Center the osage core and hickory backing and clamp it down in the middle to hold it steady. I used a layer of seran wrap between the clamps and glue. This will help to keep it from getting to messy.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/g7-1.jpg)
Post by: Osagetree on March 13, 2005, 09:49:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/g8-1.jpg)
Alternating limbs about every three or four bands that I wrap over the bow to keep the pressure and limbs uniform.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/g9-1.jpg)
Laying a rubber stip under the last two or three to pull down over the tips and make sure there is good contact,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/g10-1.jpg)
I was not finshed until I took a thin strip of wood (sort of like a pressure strip) some ace bandages and placed two clamps over blocks of thin cedar just to increase the pressure a bit more.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/g11-1.jpg)
I could only get the shop up to 60 degrees so I took it in the house for a couple days to cure.
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To be continued!
Post by: Osagetree on March 15, 2005, 10:06:00 AM
Post by: Osagetree on March 15, 2005, 12:07:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/of12-1.jpg)
Reflex looks fairly even,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/of10-1.jpg)
I am ready to grind it down to the profile lines and see what the glue lines look like.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/of11-1.jpg)
The Handle and the fades are makeded a total of 7" right now,,, but I left room for change..
I have to glue on a laminated handle,,,
Post by: Osagetree on March 15, 2005, 05:33:00 PM
I was skeptical myself, but the glue lines look good to me,,, but what do I know.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/lt.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/lt1.jpg)
1 1/2" reflex induced by the form and glue up held up pretty well.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/lt2.jpg)
Post by: DCM on March 15, 2005, 09:04:00 PM
This is not really typical of how I do most bows but demonstrates the principle. I use more wraps generally and no backer (a broom handle ripped in 1/2) for boo. I have started tapering my core more and usually put reflex and deflex in a glue up.
http://home.midsouth.rr.com/ddmims/hoh1.JPG
Looks like your project is coming along nicely. You gonna do the handle glue up next?
Man that box call is cool as Christmas.
Post by: Osagetree on April 05, 2005, 09:23:00 PM
Since my last post I added a handle overlay and laminated on a handle. I did not get many pictures of its construction or of when I cut in the center shot shelf. Sorry, I just forgot about taking them.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/x1.jpg)
Cherry, Walnut and Osage
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/x2.jpg)
Glue up the handle pieces and begin shaping the handle
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/x3-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/a1113.jpg)
Last time I was working on the bow, I was trying to thin out the hickory backing. PROBLEM! About 6" from the tips I got below 3/16" thick on the backing. :mad:
My solution was to add extra long 5 1/2" tip overlays to reinforce the backing. Keeping with the box call theme, I incorperated the osage, cherry and walnut.
I don't know if this overlay solution will work and remember when looking at the pics, the tillering has yet to begin.
Tips before overlays
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/a111.jpg)
Tip With overlays
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/a1111.jpg)
Profile
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/a1114.jpg)
Everything is still rough at this point. I will touch up the handle and round over the edges on the hickory backing before starting on the tillering.
This is my first laminated bow and I have not read up on the how to's do's and dont's except from ideas gathered on this site.
Post by: benzy on April 06, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
I want do make something similar, so I'm very interested in this thread. Have you discovered any, "I'll do that differently on the next one" situations yet?
Rob
Post by: Osagetree on April 06, 2005, 06:28:00 PM
Not many comments on this thread,,, maybe it's like if you aint got nothing nice to say don't say it at all!
Or it's just boring
Post by: WaKeDa BT on April 06, 2005, 06:37:00 PM
Post by: the Ferret on April 06, 2005, 07:59:00 PM
Post by: Osagetree on April 06, 2005, 09:14:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/aa11-1.jpg)
I also read a post on here, some where's said "Hickory loves burnishing, it needs it". I took a socket to just test it on the edge. I see what the guy meant. The hickory just shined right up like you had put finish oil on it. The more I rubbed the harder and shiny it looked.
I thought if I hooked up something in a drill chuck, I could really get some speed and friction going,,, I may try it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/aa111-1.jpg)
Sorry about the pics, I can not get any closer shots than that! Camera is cheap!!
Mickey, I like the profile also. It may end up with a little reflex after shooting a bit! If it makes it! It aint going to have no wheels,,,no matter what the handle looks like! LOL
I saw your recent post,,, Them Turk's were pulled in your back yard by the "MOJO" I put on your box call.(just kidding) Did the scratch box call ever come around?
Post by: the Ferret on April 06, 2005, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: benzy on April 07, 2005, 08:51:00 AM
keep going on the bow, I can't wait to see finished pics.
Rob
Post by: Osagetree on April 07, 2005, 04:37:00 PM
He said "Nice profile on that bow Joe but the handle looks kinda complicated...sorta like a wooden handled compound ha ha albeit a pretty one."
I'll bet he could tell you off and you would think he was a great guy. :saywhat: He should be a salesman!
I did not get to see your hickory self bow post, I will look for though.
Post by: the Ferret on April 07, 2005, 04:52:00 PM
Hey, I'm not the one who has the sign off that says "I don't give them hell. I tell the truth and they THINK it's hell!" ha ha..maybe I should steal it :knothead:
Post by: benzy on April 07, 2005, 04:58:00 PM
I built a form for the type of bow your making last night, and I'll be ripping hickory backing tonight. Thats why I'm so interested in this thread. Your gonna lead me to a sweet lookin / shootin bow!
Thanx,
Rob
Post by: Osagetree on April 07, 2005, 08:24:00 PM
This evening, I adjusted the shop and by gosh made room!
After finding a burnishing method I could impose on the hickory backing and post some more pic's, I will start the tillering while standing at a distance from this multiple layer wood laminate bow.
I was no where near as nervous about bending my first selfbow as I am this one!
Mickey :p I knew it, I knew it, your a salesman! :bigsmyl:
Post by: Osagetree on April 07, 2005, 09:15:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/tillertree-1.jpg)
Could be better. But, it will do for a while.
Post by: the Ferret on April 07, 2005, 10:26:00 PM
Note* rope is too short..you need to get back about 6-8 feet. Also, drill a hole in the middle of a 12" section of broom handle, feed your rope thru and tie and big ol knot. Will make pulling the rope and flexing the limbs MUCH easier 8~)
Benzy I like any bow a guy makes with his own hands that flings arrows..both the bow and the bowyer get :thumbsup: :thumbsup: for desire, effort and persistance! I make lots of lumpy bows...got 3 in the works right now.
Post by: benzy on April 08, 2005, 08:03:00 AM
Now back to our regularly scheduled program...
What do you guys think about Wingnuts bulletwood for a project like this instead of osage? Of course it won't be a 70#'er, just a moderate 50 - 55. Do you know if it would take a little r/d?
Thanx,
Rob
Post by: Osagetree on April 08, 2005, 04:22:00 PM
Benzy, I would like to see pics of your construction in a post when you can!
It may be a day or so before I get back to this thread. Reality,,, I am going to have to deal with that a while. :rolleyes:
Post by: benzy on April 08, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
Post by: Osagetree on April 11, 2005, 07:16:00 PM
The wood I bought was sold for backing and it had run outs all over,,, so I thought it would be okay. It said hickory bow backing!
What do you think?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/runouts.jpg)
Can I back the backing? LOL
Post by: cjones on April 12, 2005, 02:13:00 AM
Post by: Slimpikins on April 13, 2005, 08:25:00 PM
Post by: Osagetree on April 15, 2005, 09:30:00 PM
I have the bow on a long string and it is drawn 20",,, pulling wieght is 50lbs.
I should get close to target wieght as I still have plenty of wood to remove.
Here the bow is just bending on my stick.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/1tiller-1.jpg)
Post by: Osagetree on April 16, 2005, 03:43:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/1nock-1.jpg)
Cutting in the string
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/2nock-1.jpg)
The sharp edge on the big file gets me started and I finish with the small rat tail.
Post by: Osagetree on April 23, 2005, 02:04:00 PM
It also seems to be holding with out taking on any set.
The tiller is not perfect and I was way under my intended 70lbs draw. It is now at 57lbs which is okay for hunting,,, at least legal in Ohio.
It seems to shoot with some authority though,,, fast, but it does have a little hand shock!
Here is a pic at brace
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/brace-1.jpg)
Here she is at full draw
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/fulldraw-1.jpg)
Here is the profile after three dozen arrows shot
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/redbowdone11-1.jpg)
I plan on shooting it a bit more and touching up the lower limb tiller a bit before I put on any finish,,,, Stay tuned and let me know if you see something here that I don't!
Benzy, how is yours coming along?
Post by: Sparky on April 23, 2005, 02:30:00 PM
How's the hand shock? Does she shoot good. Have you introduced her to the box call yet... :knothead:
Sparky
Post by: Osagetree on April 23, 2005, 03:25:00 PM
I will not introduce it to the call until I put on the stain and finish. It wants to look its best when they meet! LOL
Post by: sleepyhollow on April 23, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: Osagetree on April 23, 2005, 09:43:00 PM
Post by: sleepyhollow on April 23, 2005, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: Osagetree on April 24, 2005, 08:45:00 AM
If it had been a right handed bow, I would give it to my wife as she shoots 45 to 50lbs. It being a lefty it will not work for her.
I like the power of 70lbs and I can shoot it fairly well. But Ohio's legal limit for hunting is 45lbs so if I can keep it above that, I will try hunting with it next fall.
The lower wieght is going to be more of a challenge, but that is why I started making bows in the first place.
Now that I accomplished that, this laminate bow will be just another notch in my different methods for taking Whitetailed deer. I am working on method #12 with this handmade all wood laminate bow. #13 if I count the S-10 pick up truck.LOL
Post by: sleepyhollow on April 24, 2005, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: Osagetree on April 24, 2005, 09:55:00 AM
At 66" in lenght, How much can I take off each limb and still maintain a 28" draw?
Cutting 1" off each limb, how much weight would I gain per inch? 5 lbs?
Post by: Osagetree on April 24, 2005, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: sleepyhollow on April 24, 2005, 10:36:00 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER on April 27, 2005, 12:22:00 AM
I make box calls too, went hunting hogs in thick woods carried a 4-5lbs bow all over creation and decided all ya need is 15 yards..why not make it a real challenge!
So I started this Recurve selfbow...and im picky and like laminations too....Hmmmmmmm
So far
Stroker II longbox 1
Selfbow recurve 0
Steve
Post by: Osagetree on September 05, 2006, 08:52:00 PM
I hope you've found it interesting.
Here is how I finished it off and followed up;
I had a little bit of two colors of stain. I mixed them together and got this slight red color that I stained the hickory backing with. This helped it blend in with the other woods better
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/redbowdone1-1.jpg)
And here is some shots of the final product with matching turkey box call,,,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/boxcallbow1-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/boxcallbow11-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/boxcallbow12-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/redbowdone12-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/boxcallbow13-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/boxcallbow14-1.jpg)
Over all I am pleased.
The bow shoots very well and I am confeident I can take Turkey's or Whitetails with this bow.
I will be building another one in the future. This was easy compared to building a selfbow from tree to bow.
I liked this project so well, I decided to match some turkey calls to my plain and snake skinned selfbows....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Osagetree/snakecall-2.jpg)
I think I'm addicted to this stuff.............