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Topic Archives => How To - Resources => Topic started by: Charlie Lamb on January 23, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
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I put together this little nocking point build along for those who are trying to learn about this stuff.
Here are the materials.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/TG1.jpg)
Bow sqare (should be in every archer's kit), Super Glue, serving thread and server, masking tape.
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I'm in my seat and ready for class Charlie.
David
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Here-Hap
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Mark the spot where you want to nocking point to be and wrap with masking tape. Build it up so it's a 1/16" thick or a little more.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/TG2.jpg)
I'm putting the nocking point on below where the arrow will sit... because that's the way I do it!
Simple enough to do this the other way if you like.
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Let's do it! I've got my #2 pencil
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Is this too early for questions? :wavey: I have a question already!
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Sit down and shut up young man! ;)
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No electricity little feather, no electricity.
Iam sorry Charlie please continue, thank you sir.
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Start like you are going to reserve the string about 3" below the nocking point. Lay the tag end of the serving thread so that you wrap over it and do that by at least 10 turns.
Fold it back at that point and continue up the string.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/TG3.jpg)
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I had one before we got started too Curt, but I bit my tongue. Ouch. Glad I did now, I think I'll hold all questions till the end of class.
David
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Now I really have some questions.
David
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When you reach the masking tape apply a drop of thin super glue.
Hold until it drys, then reverse the direction of your wrap about 6 turns. As you add each "layer" of serving material, add a dot of super glue.
When you've got about 4 layers, cut the serving thread and rub the end into the nocking point with more glue.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/TG5.jpg)
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Done like this I have never had a need to tie off the end of the serving material... it just doesn't come undone!!
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Seems like a lot of trouble for a nock point.
Certainly would stay where you put it though.
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One of the neat things about this is you can take an emory board and smooth everything off as smooth as you want.
Cut off all tag ends... if you cut them with about an eighth hangin out and burn carefully with a Bic or candle (careful now CK...fire!)
That seals the end of the serving and will keep it from ever slipping.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/TG6.jpg)
Oh yeah! Pull off the tape.
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Wow. I've never seen one done like that before Charlie. I take it this is more of a permanent type nocking point, as opposed to the tie on adjustable ones? Pretty interesting. I love these tutorials, I always find a different way of doing things. Thanks Charlie.
David
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I like it Charlie, I'll give it a try. Thanks for taking the time.
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Minuteman... I don't believe in "slap dash" work when I'm working with ANY aspect of my equiptment. I can invest 5 minutes for this project and NEVER have to do it again on this string.
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Never saw it like that. You're on to something there.
Why so much wrapping? Do you like the thicker string to grip?
Looks purdy too.
Tedd
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Charlie, does it matter which direction you wrap the thread?
Er, it is ok for questions NOW isn't it???? :bigsmyl:
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Tedd... over the years I've come to really like a double served area under my glove. If you don't care for that, you can start closer to the nocking point area. I'd try to get at least 12 turns on the serving before laying the material back over itself.
Dave...I've never paid any attention to which direction I wrapped it. Probably the same as when I originally served the string...out of habit.
Now do I see that Kellar kid wavin his hand in the back of the room? (uh oh, I smell somethin burnin!) :D
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If you hook up some alligator clips you could probably electrify the string CK. :knothead:
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Can I ask the questions now?
I didn't see any of the little brass, crimp on thangys in your tools list. When are you going to show how to put on the nocking point? CK
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So does the built up serving replace a tab or glove??? Just courious about the extra thickness and does it make the arrow kick up since the string is stiffer at those points and can I use fletch tite instead of super glue? Oh yeh what about putting one above also?
Scott
Hope there arent too many questions.
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CK...been meanin to try some of those brass thingies! No! Wait! I forgot!! I can't stand them...yeah! that's it!
Honest. When I put on a nocking point I don't want it to move ever and I know exactly where it needs to be.
Last thing I want to happen is to shoot at a nice buck and find out my nocking point slipped at some point in time.
Scoob... It doesn't replace the glove or tab for me, but might make the string a little more comfortable for those who want to shoot bare finger or with gloves/tabs that don't offer quite enough protection.
It doesn't affect arrow flight that I can tell. If you use Fletch Tite or Duco you'll find it more prone to wear loose. It requires more maintenace with regular coats.
I didn't show it in the picture, but my preferred set up has the string double served above the arrow nock as well, but without the bump.
I find that it's a very positive way to nock the arrow. If you are anywhere near the middle of the string, the arrow can only fit in one place. (without forcing it)
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Charlie,
That is a really cool nock point. I can't wait to give it a try. Thanks for sharing. :thumbsup:
KT
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Cool Charles!
Nice tutoriol! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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No offence meant Mr. Lamb. Just voicing my opinion on your work, fine work too, nothing "slap-dash" about it.
With the linen strings I use I have to adjust the nock periodically as the string stretches. It just wouldnt work for my particular application. Thanks for posting the pics and all though.
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Minuteman... I understand. Thanks.
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P.S. It's not Mr. Lamb, it's Charlie! ;)
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Nice tutorial Charlie...Mac~
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Certainly a new and interesting method. I use two string nocks, tied on but will try this on at least one of my bow strings, as I think I would really like it. I would like to see one final picture of the string with the wrap above on it also, if possible (but guess I can see it on my own, come to think of it). This tutorial should definitely be saved in the How To's also IMO
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Bernie... I'll get a picture up a little later that shows the above portion.
Still lettin the caffeine do it's majic this morning.
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I dunno Charlie, nock points, servings..all seems kinda "high tech" to me. But if I went for all that stuff, I think I'd have to at least give your method a try. :D
Nice job on the tutorial :thumbsup:
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Nice work Charlie,
A little different than what i was tought but i think i like it .Gonna try it tonight.
Larry
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Some of us just gotta have a crutch Micky!! :D
Like I said above guys... this method can be modified so it's just the knot on the string if you like that better.
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oh sure - I had to try the Lamb nock. I got my finger glued to the dang string, then I accidently whipped it in place. I got kinda of messy when i cut my finger off to clean up the nocking point. I may go with the naked nock like Ferret from now on :)
rusty
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Yeah Rusty,but now you don't have to worry about finger placement on the string!
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LOL
rusty
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Thanks Charlie, I am pretty new to this so any lesson that I can use is great. I don't like the brass ones either. I would also like to see this saved in the how to forum.
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Thank you Mr. Lamb...I've use a similar deal without the superglue, I'm definately going with the super glue, stop burning a hole in my thumb when I burn the ends
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Saved this to the How To Forum
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Great, Charlie (don't forget the other pic - just to tie it all together.)
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Ok! Here's the pictures of the other half.
Leaving enough space for your nock of choice start wrapping your serving thread up the string.
When you've laid on enough to protect your top finger, pull out a length of serving thread and continuing in the same wrapping direction form a loop.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/43.jpg)
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(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/44.jpg)
Continuing the wrap in the same direction you were wind twelve wraps "inside" the loop.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/45.jpg)
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pull the serving jig toward the nocking point and secure it out of the way.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/46.jpg)
Now grabbing the serving material loop, wrap it over the end you just pulled out of the way for as many wraps as you made in the loop.
This will leave the "loop" at the very end of the serving.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/47.jpg)
From the serving jig end of the thread, pull until the loop disappears under the serving and snug it up tight.
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The finished product should look something like this.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/48.jpg)
These tips can be used when serving any part of the string.
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Thanks, Charlie. That's how I serve strings but it is hard to explain without showing - you did great.
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UH- MR Lamb :knothead:
Just kidding Charlie- I really hope we can hunt together again without the @$$ in the group. :rolleyes:
Thanks Charlie :notworthy:
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Hey Keith, who you callin' "@$$"? :wavey:
Since you didn't say "Yankee @$$", I'm guessing it wasn't that tall, skinny SOB with the funny accent. You betcha, eh?
Charlie, great tutorial. It's difficult explaining how to finish a serving, but you nailed it perfectly.
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Thanks guys!
You know he wasn't talkin about you Jason... I'm sure he meant the other one! :D
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;)
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Hey Jason!!! :wavey:
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Thanks Charlie, I'm gonna give it a try. Kinda off subject. What kinda hide is that behind the pics? If it's bear it's a pretty one.
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Robin... That's a black bear...cinnamon phase. My first from years ago.