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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: slayer1 on February 13, 2007, 04:35:00 PM
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I know how the scoring works. But what is a really top notch 3-D score? I shot in my first tournament over the weekend. It was a lot of fun. I was just curious to what the best shooters around the country would score on average. Some of you guys with experience chime in.
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All 10's! LOL
In my humble opinion, to be a serious "shooter" ya gotta do all 8's or better...
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I was thiking that around 180 would be what the top guys would average.
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Slayer:
An average of 8 is a good reference point. At most courses, I'd consider anything over 8 to be pretty darn good shootin'.
However, these days it seems to take an average of 9 or better to place around here.
Tal
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I average 220 on possible 360
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String Tracker, how many targets is that? And what is the average score per target? The 3-D tournaments I have shot have been 20 targets with a maximum of 10 pts per target.
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I shot in one 2 weeks ago in topeka, ks and scored 294 out of 400. I heard there was a guy that goes to this shoot and shoots 330's or better. Thats 40 targets with 10pts max per target.
Oh yeah I won that weekend, but I want to go and shoot with this guy that gets 330's or better.
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Takes about a 9 average around here to win, better than 8 for top five.
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i LOST 2 ARROWS WHATS THAT COUNT
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The better shooters in IBO average between 8 and 9 points per target. The top 3 in the IBO world championships last year averaged 8.4-8.88 points per target thru 50 targets. The average might drop a little this year though. IBO increased the max yardage to 30 yards for 2007.
What's the typical yardage ya'll are shooting in your areas?
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hey bro as long as you hit the magic spot all the time you cant do better than that.its when you start having 2nd and 3rd arrows then i would be worried. :thumbsup:
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Originally posted by slayer1:
String Tracker, how many targets is that? And what is the average score per target? The 3-D tournaments I have shot have been 20 targets with a maximum of 10 pts per target.
we have 30 targets score 5(hit on foam) 8 (lung) 10 (heart) and 12 ( have no idea what it represents) so pretty much im a lung shooter. turkeys and other small game i usually hit foam
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In most of the shoots I've been to it seems that 80% of total available points and above is a good score.
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sling.... what distance do they set the trad stake at? here we are a ASA regulated club and max is 25yds. most are 20-25. occasionally they give a 15
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String tracker when do you shoot in harrington again?
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first sunday of each month. http://www.mid-delarchers.com/
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That's intersting to learn that you guys have a maximum distance you shoot at. Here we usually shoot between 28 and 36 targets. All seniors shoot from the same pegs, red, white and blue, although sometimes they will put out a longer black and white peg for the compounds. From the red peg, a kill scores 20 and a wound 16, white peg scores 14 or 10 and blue peg scores 8 or 4. Some shoots they declare that if you hit the inner kill with the first shot, you score 24. The distances range from about 5 yards out to 50 or 60 yards.
I never worry myself as to what the top boys or girls are scoring. I just do what you did and go out to have some fun and try and beat my last score. That way I've been surprised a few times when my name has been called out at the medal ceremony.
Graham
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With a longbow and wood arrows my best score on a 30 target course scored X=11,10,8,5 is 281. This was 25 yard max but some were a little farther.
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Different clubs score differently. On 3-D targets, if most are kept within 30 yards, a good score would consist of 50% hearts, 40% lungs and 10% bodies. No airballs/misses. Converted to a 10-8-5 scoring system, that's about a 253 on a 28 target course.
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ASA scores 5( hit foam) 8, 10, 12 and NOW 14 rings
IBO i do believe is 5,8,10,11
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string tracker where is the asa tournment held?
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Yep, IBO scoring is 5,8,10,11
http://www.ibo.net/
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Originally posted by keith brimmer:
string tracker where is the asa tournment held?
at the only ASA Club in DE... Mid-Del
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at least all 8's on the deer size animals for us,, turkeys and little critter targets never have the kills right so we count the deadcenter or head shots a decent hit on those.
my recurve modern longbow average is around 240-250,, selfbow 220-240. 200 is a bad day..
but I shot over a 6-pointers back this past season from 14yds so 3D scores don't mean too much cause your hearts not slamming your chest..
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There is really no way to compare score's from one shoot to another. No two coarse are alike. As For Tom A. ------ He is the man !!!!!!
Bill
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Bill is right they are all different and many are scored different.Most times if you average 8+ you have a good chance at a piece of plastic at a lot of local shoots. :)The bigger the shoot the better game you need to bring. :D
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Also if ya say start out with 3 arrows and have all 3 when ya finish that aint too bad for newbie!!!! :D :thumbsup:
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Most of our shoots are set up by the open class compound shooters, so we get hammered before we even nock an arrow. 30 yard shots at a turkey, LOL is not unheard of.
It is hard to get trad shooters to participate because of the low scores they have. I think the low scores are mainly caused by poor target placement for traditional shooting, which at many stations means Foam is good.
We need to work with the organizers to set up the stakes for trad so that we can expect to be able to shoot an 8 , not just hope to hit foam, and we can expect more participation.
There is a trend at shoots to not keep score, and some shoots have no scoring at all like the Longbow Safari. This makes no sense at all.Scoring is the only way to know if you are improving, and to see just how well you shoot compared to the other shooters.
The concept of taking long shots and if you miss it's "ok" because you are not expected to hit does nothing to help your shooting.
I hear no score fans say that shots are to close and easy when we get a course at reasonable distances for the target sizes, but I don't see them shooting any X rings. They seem to prefer a long shot that they think they should miss , so there is a reasonable excuse, to be crawling thru the bush looking for arrows.
Hopefully this season we can see some courses here that will allow some good scores to be posted, and even see a trad guy in the end of the match shoot off.
Pete
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Bill. I think we all know who the man is. LOL. Hows it goin buddy? Looks like you finaly got that computer running good.
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If you average 8's or better on our courses you're doing well. We don't score the super kill zones - top hit is a 10.
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The 3-Ds around here are 5-8-10 and most are 28 targets. If ya shoot 240 or better ya will be in the top 3, if ya shootover 200 which I do 75% of the time ya are in the top 10 or so. I would say anywhere ya average over 240 on a 28 target course, you are gonna be one of the best shooters there. Shawn
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In my group we score like this:
a killing shot = 10
a miss = 0
a wound = -5
It's all about having fun
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How does the IBO work? I see they have results for all sorts of events posted on their website. But that doesn't mean anything to me, because I can't find anywhere how many targets there are for each of those events. I found the scoring in the rules, and I assume that applies to each event.
Does the IBO have state or local chapters or something? What is a "state rep?" Their website is pretty but doesn't really tell you anything about how it is organized or what it actually does. :confused:
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I'm going to be trying 3D with Trad tackle for the first time this Summer. I can say that our local club scoffs as any IBO/ASA guidelines. In the past I've seen trad stake shots of 40-50+ yards on the McKenzie elk & caribou. I would guess their average trad stake is on the long side of 22-23 yards...
There are few Trad shooters around here, none in the club (I have my reasons for not being a member) and I doubt they would listen to input anyway...
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ASA rules state trad is maxed out at 25yds reguarless of target size
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From what little I know of IBO, it seems the local clubs here also pay no attention to those rules (no reason they should I guess). Like NDTerminator, it's not unusual to have some long (40+ in my book) trad shots at the bigger targets.
I just wanted to know where I could find info on the IBO shoots themselves. Like how many targets, or total available points, etc. so that I could put the scores on their webpage in perspective.
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Tamure
All the IBO National shoots are 40 targets.
The IBO World Championship (outdoor) is 40 targets and the top 5 in each class shoot 10 more targets in a shoot off. If severe weather conditions like thunder storms or lighting come in to play they have in the past reduced the amount of targets shot in order to finish in the alloted time.
Targets are scored center x=11, 10,8 and 5 for hitting anywhere outside the kill other than hoof or horn.
IBO yardage rules are aproximate. So you can have some targets past max from time to time. Also yardage has changed from year to year. For the traditional classes it was 30 yards max when I started shooting about 6 years ago then it went down to 25 yards for a few years and now its back to 30.
If you are looking at past score also be aware that class names have changed over the years too. LB and MTRD are the same class. TH and TRAD HR are the same class.
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In central Illinois, anywhere from 220 up on some very difficult coarses, usually 240 to 260 is required. Shoot up near Chicago or sometimes around St Louis, and you have to up the antee. I've seen scores go over 300 for 30.
Some of my favorite shoots have been with compounders. they always mark the 10 or 12 ring and give you a great aiming point. I always know I'm on my game when I can move up to the trad stake and slide my arrows in close to theirs.
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Thanks for the explanation, Tom, that's just what I was looking for. :thumbsup:
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I don't really care how long the shots are, but my only complaint is that they are not being fair in setting up most shoots. Regardless of what weapon you shoot, the top scores should be about the same across the board. For instance, if the open compound division winner is shooting 95% of total points, every division should be shoooting 95%. What you run into down here at most club shoots is the compound stake is usually at 30yds and the trad stake is about 22-25 yds.... Anything over 70% is good. However, many of the compound guys will be shooting close to 100%.. That really gets under my skin. A stick bow shot at 25 yds is equivalent to a compound shot a 50yds IMO....
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Average distance at our club is 15 to 20 yards on small targets and 20 to 35 on larger targets. The good shooters will shoot 220 to 260 out of 300 possible score. The rest of us :>) shoot somewhere 180 to 220. Mostly lung shots with an occasional heart shot and 2 0r 3 fives. Out of about 28 shooters, nobody is bragging and nobody complaining about other people. Just good fun. The hunters are more interested in a kill shot at the particular angle the animal is standing.
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On targets scored 12, 10, 8, 5, and shot at 15yd to 25yd with a couple larger elk and buffalo targets at longer ranges, my average this so far this year has been 8.4pts per target. My best place was a 2nd . But, in general I've been coming in 3rd or 4th place all the time. Top shooter at the Dixie Deer Classic in NC. shot the 15 targets (13 deer,1wolf,1 bear)with 14x10's and 1x12 with a long bow. All I can say is don't go down to North Carolina and expect to win much of anything by shooting 8's.
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I shoot in four different 3-D leagues here in southeast VA. All use the 10,8,5. Some use 11 for the X-Ring. But I don't and a lot of others don't go necessarily for the score , because the scoring area is not a killing shot due to the profile of the body, (broadside, qtring away, qtring too). So we shoot for the real deal kill not the scoring area if it;s not a kill due to profile. Also we don't shoot past our comfort zone. If it's past what we usually shoot we walk up to where we would take the outside shot and shoot. Hey I won't pick up no trophy's but when in the field have a better % ON DOWNED GAME THAN SOMEONE';S SCORE. But it's fun shooting the the course anyway. To each his own.
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My average score is 230 out of a possible 300 Scoring is as follows. 5pts anywhere on target 8pts lungs 10pts heart. 30 targets, and distance ranges from 15 to 30yards with most shots being 20-25yards....
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