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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: PastorSteveHill on May 27, 2007, 08:11:00 PM
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Hello folks. I am curious if one must cant a longbow or could a more vertical shooter get by with a longbow since the shelf is so narrow? Thanks for any advice....
Blessings
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All depends on how well you draw. I do it with my bows quite often but they are all cut to center or past.
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Steve , get the book Become the Arrow by Byron Ferguson and his DVD...it explains it , I cant my bows!! :wavey:
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No, you do not 'have' to cant, but you should be able to from various angles and even reverse cant if you want to capitalize on your shot opportunities.
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What is reverse cant????
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I think the more the bow is canted the more difficult it becomes to engage the back muscles. The further I cant a bow the more I can feel my draw shortening up and the tension transfering past my shoulder joints towards the bow. Old pictures of Howard Hill showed a very slight cant, with his head tilted in towards the bow.
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If your alignment is correct, canting the bow shouldn't shorten one's draw length.
Click below...2nd shot is reverse cant, 3rd is extreme reverse cant
Different cant angles...... (http://www.tradgang.com/videos/tg/terry-2.wmv)
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:eek: I'm gonna go practice...
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In one of Howard Hills books. he says the closer the target the more you cant the bow, gradualy moving to vertical on the longer shots.
And it dose work, when I shoot at up to 50 yds I'll miss left if I can't the bow, butt if I have it vertical at that distance the shot will be closer to the Target....
My bow is 1/8 off center....
Terry....what bow are ya useing in that video....?
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Looks like I am going to have to start some yoga...
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Great shooting Terry, my back hurts watching that manuever, just order more bow hush, great product.
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Originally posted by Terry Green:
No, you do not 'have' to cant, but you should be able to from various angles and even reverse cant if you want to capitalize on your shot opportunities.
That pretty much sums it up right there. :thumbsup:
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Wow!!!
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When you cant with longbow the site picture just opens up for ya better...but competiton archers shoot straight up...but down in the south , ya better practice from all kind of postions , like Tarz said.When bowhunting depends what the critter gives ya !! :thumbsup: good luck :)
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I hurt myself trying Terry's shots with my "airbow".
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Real sweet shooting Terry! Howard Hill also mentions in his book that you should practice shooting with your bow canted from horizontal to beyond vertical to, as Terry said, capitalize on your (more) shot opportunities. Man, Terry that was a Tuff pig needing all three shots, little bastard really had you jumping around!! :notworthy: :notworthy:
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I enjoyed that, Terry. Everybody ought to see that shootin' and remember to have fun!
I have two Fred Anderson Hyaks that I cant when I shoot. My other longbows, I shoot more vertical.
To me, the grip shape/design dictates the way I shoot.
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Terry: Nice to see a fella who knows how to shoot a stick bow. Well done.
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I agree w/Precurve's earlier post. Realized yesterday that I had been canting my Dakota too much. Have been exeriencing should pain in bow shoulder (not draw shoulder) and having difficulty in maintaining back tension and a smooth release. I was really surprised how much difference it made to shoot w/a slight cant. Starting out w/too much cant, then decreasing cant, I noticed much better back tension and way tighter grouping. Plus, my shoulder did not hurt at all, and no sore ring finger on draw hand. Certainly everyone has their own style, but for me, decreasing cant made a tremendous difference. Tray E.
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Stumpknocker ,I think we all have a go to way of shooting, but hopefully that doesn't limit the options. I think Terry showed us what is possible to do with your bow, with aplomb I might add. I went right out and tried it after I saw it and in a short half hour was puttin' in reasonable groups from all angles, albeit at 12 yards, but it's a start and alot of fun and probably a better work out for my shoulders and back, not to mention (with way more practice) the confidence it would bring in those awkward situations in the field. I'm sold, I'm practicing...
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Mike G,....60" 60#@28 Thunderstick MOAB.
Vermontrad....good for you, if I can do it so can you.
Thanks for the complements guys.
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Thanks for the post Terry. Its always good to see the masters at work. By the way, just how far was that porker?
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I have a LOOONG way to go before I play like Terry. Awe inspiring by the way.
Isn't the whole point to have a relaxed forward arm? I realize the muscles are working during the draw, but when I cant my bow at a relaxed/unconscious angle I hit closer to where I aimed.
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TTT
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Originally posted by Terry Green:
Mike G,....60" 60#@28 Thunderstick MOAB.
:eek: :eek: I pulled a muscle just watching that.
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Yea, I need to practice. Seen that Video before glad you posted it again.
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I like canting because it is the natural method of pointing. Think about it, if you extend your hand to shake someone's hand, the hand naturally wants to twist inward approx. 10 degrees. If you point in a relaxed method, the way you should shoot, you will see that with the index finger extended, the hand rolls inward 15 degrees or more. The more naturally you hold your bow, point your bow, the more natural the shot, and the better you will learn to become one with your bow.
I can't argue with the fact that I hate to see bow and arrow in my plane of vision when I am shooting, and canting gets that garbage out of the way.
When I first started shooting stick bows back in the 60's, darn near everyone was shooting with a vertical hold. I shot that way until 88, then I started canting, and started shooting better than ever. I shoot my longbows and recurves that way, and heck event the short time I shot compounds I shot them that way too! For me, it is the only way to fly......
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I used to cant the bow but I got tired of the inconsistency in my shooting. I just could not make it work for me.
Holding the bow vertical is more consistent with me.
To answer the original question: yes, you can shoot longbows vertically. I even shoot my selfbows vertical, and they have very small shelves. I start off my draw slightly canted, flow into a vertical hold, and release.
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Terry,
How do you keep the arrow on the shelf when you reverse cant? Mine wants to drop off if I reverse cant more than a few degrees.
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Ya! first time I saw that, my back went out!!