Post by: B.O.D. on June 12, 2007, 07:59:00 AM
I was a competitive powerlifter for many years, deadlifts, rack-pull, heavy shrugs etc...I have tried to make the "T" and physically cannot do it, it feels like I am crushing my traps/shoulder blades together.
Now, if I alter my anchor and anchor to the back of my jawbone, it feels very close to a "T"( short arms), but wearing glasses when I shoot does not allow me to anchor way back there.
any tips?
Thanks,
BD
Post by: Terry Green on June 12, 2007, 12:42:00 PM
Its so much easier to see and hear than to try and convey it here in the typed word, but we'll give her a try since the clock pics have been helpfull to many...
I'm sure it wont work exactly perfect for all builds, but the goal is to get as close to that alignment as possible.
Proper alignment will serve you better as a shooter, no matter if you are shooting targets or hunting. It will make your shot more forgiving in the bowhunter's world of not so perfect shots, positions, and terrain.
It will give you a better release, steadier bow arm, and less torque on the bow and string.
Post by: Snakeeater on June 12, 2007, 09:20:00 PM
Can you explain the "T" for those of us who missed the initial discussion(s), or point us to some older threads?
Thanks,
Snakeeater
Post by: Terry Green on June 12, 2007, 09:39:00 PM
Terry
Post by: Terry Green on June 12, 2007, 09:56:00 PM
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/alignment.jpg)
EQUALS THIS...
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/alignment2.JPG)
And NOT this.... Shoulders and arrow Parallel.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/ta.jpg)
And this...
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/alignment2a.JPG)
Does NOT equal this......Shoulders, arrow AND Power Points Parallel.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/form2clock3.JPG)
Post by: Terry Green on June 12, 2007, 09:58:00 PM
The Brown line is the waist......
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/anglepic.JPG)
Same as shooting upward, don't just raise the bow arm....bend at the waist and keep your alignment the same.
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Post by: Terry Green on June 12, 2007, 10:01:00 PM
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/form3.JPG)
Ends you up here in the blink of an eye....
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/form4.JPG)
Post by: Terry Green on June 12, 2007, 10:03:00 PM
(http://tradgang.com/terry/form2clock.jpg)
NOT like this.......
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/bernard704.jpg)
Post by: Terry Green on June 12, 2007, 10:09:00 PM
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/al2.JPG)
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(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/al3.JPG)
NO
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/al4.JPG)
Post by: Terry Green on June 12, 2007, 10:28:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on June 12, 2007, 10:43:00 PM
Post by: B.O.D. on June 13, 2007, 08:22:00 AM
BD
Post by: Snakeeater on June 13, 2007, 09:08:00 AM
Post by: keith brimmer on June 13, 2007, 01:07:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on June 14, 2007, 10:48:00 AM
Post by: Terry Green on June 14, 2007, 11:05:00 AM
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(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/magict2.gif)
Post by: keith brimmer on June 14, 2007, 11:37:00 AM
Post by: Terry Green on June 14, 2007, 11:56:00 AM
Post by: Molson on June 14, 2007, 03:30:00 PM
To get back to the original question, the overlooked truth about form is it's all about straight lines. Your goal is to get that arrow to leave the bow in as straight a line as possible despite the bow and your influence on it. Understanding that this is the whole purpose of form (and tuning) often gets lost in the little singular pieces that make up your shooting.
You may look a little different than Terry, but if you make the right adjustments to fit you, you can achieve proper alignment, which will lead to consistent shooting with dilligent practice.
One other thing for the new fellows coming over from the compound. You will not be regularly splitting nocks in two days, two weeks, or two years. Traditional archery takes time, experience, knowledge, and your commitment to achieve proficiency. This is not a game of instant success. Accept this now and dedicate yourself to improvement, or move on and save yourself a bunch of disappointment.
Post by: keith brimmer on June 14, 2007, 04:17:00 PM
Post by: keith brimmer on June 19, 2007, 10:26:00 AM
keith
Post by: Deadbolt on June 21, 2007, 01:28:00 PM
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Originally posted by Molson:Aint that the truth...I'm very use to instant correction with my wheelie bow so trad shooting a a MAJOR change to a VERY impatient person. I'm working very hard at correcting all my flaws.
One other thing for the new fellows coming over from the compound. You will not be regularly splitting nocks in two days, two weeks, or two years. Traditional archery takes time, experience, knowledge, and your commitment to achieve proficiency. This is not a game of instant success. Accept this now and dedicate yourself to improvement, or move on and save yourself a bunch of disappointment.
I must say though recurves make an honest man...you can be an awsome shot w/ a compound and still have horrible habbits but a recurve will show how good your form really is. I have some work to do....OK ALOT of work to do!
Post by: tradtusker on June 21, 2007, 05:19:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on June 24, 2007, 07:54:00 PM
I drag my thumb base knuckle along side my face, and as my middle finger comes to the corner of my mouth I keep coming, and my thumb base knuckle slides in behind my jaw under my ear.
Post by: BobCo 1965 on June 25, 2007, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: Terry Green on June 25, 2007, 04:15:00 PM
Here's my elbow on a level shot...probably around the 9:15 position....
(http://tradgang.com/terry/form1clock.jpg)
Please be aware...The elbow doesn't just 'come back farther'...it comes around in a 'J' shape. Do not be afraid to 'cozy up' to your anchor.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/form2clock3a.JPG)
BODY POSITION :
Not this.....
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/form1clockverticalnot.jpg)
But this...
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/form1clockvertical.jpg)
Not this(red line)...this causes a 'fly away' release and bow torque.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/formclockmod.jpg)
Post by: BobCo 1965 on June 25, 2007, 04:19:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on July 28, 2008, 08:16:00 PM
You do NOT draw with your arm or bicep....that is called 'muscling the bow'....you draw with a rearward rotation like you are going to close a door behind you with your elbow......
OK....the door is in a normal position.
The shooter is where he would stand yet closer to the door so the draw motion would actually shut it...but this is the overhead view of the shooter to show the draw.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/doorcloseform.jpg)
Post by: Terry Green on November 12, 2008, 09:36:00 AM
Post by: old school on November 14, 2008, 10:14:00 AM
Old School
Post by: Terry Green on November 14, 2008, 01:24:00 PM
TradGang Store (http://www.tradgang.com/tgstore/index.html)
Post by: J-KID on December 17, 2008, 09:44:00 PM
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Post by: NorthernCaliforniaHunter on January 02, 2009, 05:05:00 PM
Thank you all!
Post by: Bear Heart on January 16, 2009, 01:17:00 PM
Post by: stick_string on March 03, 2009, 05:00:00 PM
Is the bow arm suppose to be bent? I lock my bow arm and continually slap my arm with the string. Thoughts?
Post by: Terry Green on March 16, 2009, 08:18:00 PM
Post by: Stringslap16 on April 05, 2009, 05:47:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on April 10, 2009, 10:03:00 AM
Any way you can film?
Post by: Stringslap16 on April 29, 2009, 07:52:00 PM
Post by: GMMAT on April 30, 2009, 12:04:00 PM
In reviewing the photos provided.....it appears to me (an admitted novice) that a lot of issues might be solved by not short-drawing.
Do you find this to be an obstacle for a lot of trad. archers?
Post by: jacobsladder on April 30, 2009, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: cjgregory on May 14, 2009, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: bow loving man on December 02, 2009, 11:40:00 AM
Post by: divecon10 on December 30, 2009, 09:57:00 PM
Great help tho! thanks all!
Post by: bauke on January 06, 2010, 02:01:00 PM
One question: Do you deside on an anchor point and then try and get to 'full' draw, or do you first determine full draw and then get the best possible anchor to go with your full draw? If I do the last, I add 2-3" to my drawlength.
Post by: Terry Green on January 07, 2010, 09:46:00 AM
The best way to get properly aligned is to do it on the bale....and find the place to anchor with your elbow pointing at 6 o'clock....and if you can find a second(double) anchor that's even better.
Drill it in on the bale and it will happen automaticaly in the field.
And yes, I pull the corner of my lips back as I approach the 2nd anchor.
Post by: J. Cook on January 07, 2010, 02:40:00 PM
Gee - Thanks alot Terry!!!! :mad:
But seriously, this is great info, that I'm really excited about trying. I've been complacent to believe that short drawing and snap shooting was accpetable, but I'm going to work on this. I'm all for another inch or two of draw stroke power!!!
Good stuff Terry, and though I know you did all this a couple of years ago, thanks for putting all that time in to do it right, with the DVD and pictorals for us!
You guys are top-notch.
Post by: leftybearfan on January 10, 2010, 08:43:00 PM
Post by: ren sarns on February 04, 2010, 11:23:00 AM
Post by: BobCo 1965 on February 04, 2010, 02:29:00 PM
Post by: eric-thor on March 05, 2010, 12:27:00 PM
so its helping me a bunch i read earlier in this thread last week about bringing the string to tip of nose and corner of mouth witch is funny cause i ALLWAYS teach this to compound shooters , i never thought it would work for trad , i used to anchor like gordon in my eye tooth but i had allot of inconsistancy with blurred vision "i wear glassses and have a sever stigmatisim. this anchor has made a huge diff. although its really been a strugggle to remember this new aanchor but when i do man do i drill the shot if i dont i miss right over the top . so ill just have to practice allot more to get that muscle memory. thanks for the help .
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Post by: Wldhorse on March 19, 2010, 07:18:00 AM
Post by: charles m on March 19, 2010, 08:36:00 AM
You should get the DVD!!!!
http://www.tradgang.com/tgstore/index.html
Post by: SpencerL on May 14, 2010, 04:16:00 PM
Post by: Fourarrows on May 16, 2010, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: Paka on May 30, 2010, 04:43:00 AM
Am pretty new to trad. bowhunting but am really enjoying it. Was so glad to read the post of how compound shooters usually take awhile to split arrows , I was starting to worry. I finished my boardbow(thnx 4est) and have been shooting for about 3-4 weeks now am trying to figure out the arrow situation and form situation, this has really helped . You all make it look so easy .
Thanks so much everyone P.T.
Post by: Paka on May 31, 2010, 05:28:00 AM
Post by: browndown on June 14, 2010, 10:13:00 PM
Just started shooting last year,i have alot of hints from oters but this just make sence. Can't wait to use the info. Thanks
Post by: amazonjim on July 13, 2010, 08:40:00 AM
Great job, I am sure this will help me also
Post by: Terry Green on July 25, 2010, 09:28:00 AM
:campfire:
Post by: BobCo 1965 on July 30, 2010, 12:32:00 PM
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6093/ta1v.jpg)
Post by: Ben Tstic on August 13, 2010, 10:23:00 PM
Fantastic site...it's like everything you ever wanted to know about bows is here, or some one knows some one who might know someone, etc...
I like the way the rules are laid out plain, & that no disrespect or vehement arguing is tolerated.
Shot trad as a kid a bit, and still haven't completely kicked the wheelbow, but don't shoot it much anymore...I seem to have too many new (to me)actually old tradbows accumulating that need to be shot...
somehow,...I don't seem to mind...even shot the last round in the rain this evening... I thought it was gonna quit, but as I was dripping with sweat anyway, it felt pretty good...
Post by: njloco on September 07, 2010, 08:04:00 PM
Put this together with trying to demonstrate how to shoot a Trad. bow to a friend, and telling him he should really try shooting at a blank bale, and then showing it to him, but doing it myself for the first, that is when it all started to click. I went home and was a little tired, so I did some chores around the house and then relaxed a little. It was getting late and I figured I would go out and shoot a little more, I drew the first arrow back and that is when I realized I am shooting like I did when I was younger, everything that the experienced guys try and explain to the new people to Trad. came together. I didn't have to concentrate on my form because my brain and body already knew what I was asking of them, all I had to do was watch the spot I wanted to hit and it happened. All those years ago I was a good shooter but I knew nothing about the actual mechanics until now.
All I could say is Thank you all, and I will try my best to pass it on.
Ken
Post by: watchamakalit on November 04, 2010, 08:39:00 AM
Post by: Robin Earp on November 12, 2010, 04:23:00 PM
Post by: jfelkins on December 03, 2010, 10:58:00 AM
My question is, how to practice? Or better yet, how do I build great form? I don't mean the pieces and parts of a great shot. I mean the regime of shooting. I'm building an arrow stop in my garage so I can shoot all weather day or night. So, if you were starting from ground zero how would you build great form. I'm a hunter and want to be confident when I draw my bow back. Thanks for any tips. I'm studying this thread and learning a ton. Thanks Terry!!!
Post by: Okie man on December 03, 2010, 07:51:00 PM
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Post by: Terry Green on December 09, 2010, 12:00:00 PM
Post by: fujimo on January 01, 2011, 03:33:00 PM
regards
wayne
Post by: deercraver on January 02, 2011, 10:05:00 PM
Post by: Lone Ranger on January 15, 2011, 05:27:00 PM
L.R.
Post by: tradshooter on February 18, 2011, 10:47:00 PM
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Post by: horsehairhunter on March 16, 2011, 12:34:00 AM
Post by: daniel boon on March 16, 2011, 08:40:00 AM
Post by: Terry Green on March 16, 2011, 09:48:00 AM
Daniel...yes, there is a shooting segment on the Trad Gang DVD...and a lot of the form clock stuff is on this very thread....start from the beginning.
Post by: smoke1953 on March 16, 2011, 11:23:00 AM
Post by: 2fletch on March 16, 2011, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: sorefingers on March 17, 2011, 12:38:00 AM
Post by: raghorns on March 18, 2011, 05:41:00 PM
Hey, did I mention I won the longbow division at the last 3D shoot? Just bragg'in on the form clock!
Thanks to all who do so much to help guys like me who love to shot and want to be the best they can be..."cause close enough never is!"
Post by: Robin Earp on April 03, 2011, 02:52:00 AM
Post by: PaddyMac on April 19, 2011, 08:06:00 PM
This is great stuff. I haven't had anyone talk about form since boy scout camp. More more more.
Post by: cjgregory on May 15, 2011, 02:15:00 PM
So I went to a blank bail and worked on my back tension some and called it a day.
Terry,
Is the back tension and lockup between the shoulder blades an indicator or tool to ensure everything is pointed at the target line?
Post by: jamesh76 on May 18, 2011, 04:28:00 AM
James
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Post by: Thin Man on March 29, 2012, 03:34:00 PM
I have been working with your form clock as well as Moebow's rotational draw concepts.
I anchor split with index on corner of mouth. When I get what feels to be a good shoulder-to-target alignment with my anchor firm on face (almost tugging behind me), the sensation of shooting feels a bit like I'm shooting from behind my head over my back. My draw length is also a bit shorter then what I had when my form was not as aligned.
My better shots feel this way, and I attribute the shorter draw length to the alignment and natural lay to anchor, whereas before I was perhaps pulling backwards with my elbow and shoulder away from the target, producing an artificial extension.
Is this feeling of "shooting behind the head" and shorter draw length on the right track?
Thanks for the great tutorials. (and to Moebow for his, as well!)
Post by: Terry Green on April 09, 2012, 04:56:00 PM
Post by: Hunter74 on May 15, 2012, 04:10:00 PM
Now by no means am I saying I became a great shot but literally overnight my shooting got very considerably better...
All it took is to focus at the beginning of each shot to get everything in my upper body pointed straight at or straight away from the target. Then I focus on squeezing with my back muscles!
Post by: tradhunterRN on May 24, 2012, 02:26:00 PM
If I let my bow take a slight cant as it naturally does when pointing at the target, do I have to bend slightly at the waist to line up with the bow/string? Ensuring that I keep full expansion of course, moving nothing else but the waist.
Post by: Cuban Missile on May 24, 2012, 10:34:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on May 28, 2012, 04:13:00 PM
Your video should have shipped last week....I'll check and see....I've been away for a week....sorry for the delay.
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Post by: Terry Green on August 22, 2012, 09:27:00 AM
Post by: arrowlauncherdj on August 23, 2012, 03:58:00 PM
I had to go to the bale and relearn how to anchor with my thumb down at jaw line, which felt about as unnatural as wearing my pants backwards. But since doing that, my anchor seems to be more solid without string hand torque and I can hold more steady with a cleaner release.
dave
Post by: BigBucksnTrucks on September 17, 2012, 11:40:00 AM
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Post by: bowhunterportugal on December 04, 2012, 10:08:00 PM
Also, are you shipping DVD's? What is the time expected to receive it, say, to Savannah Georgia?
Post by: Terry Green on December 05, 2012, 08:56:00 AM
In your last video, your alignment looks pretty good...you still may be using arm muscles 'early' in the draw and the back is taking over soon after....no matter long at the back takes over.
Based on those clips and your elbow movement and lack of bow hand movement....I'd say back tension is clearly underway.
Post by: bowhunterportugal on December 05, 2012, 08:59:00 AM
What about the use of a form master? I just made one this morning but haven't tried it yet.
Post by: bowhunterportugal on December 07, 2012, 04:41:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGw9wEx_mXQ&feature=youtu.be
It seems that I lay my head after anchor! It doesn't seem right!
Post by: Landlocked Pirate on December 12, 2012, 05:12:00 PM
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The best way to get properly aligned is to do it on the bale....and find the place to anchor with your elbow pointing at 6 o'clock....and if you can find a second(double) anchor that's even better.I understand the concept, but with my particular build and my long arms, if I bring my elbow back to the full 6:00 position, then my hand is completely behind my head. Any suggestions on how to compensate? I plan on ordering the DVD by the way.
Post by: ShinBone on December 29, 2012, 01:20:00 AM
I feel I am at a point where I have enough bows. I have like 5 or six of bows already. I don't need to constantly check the classified to buy more bows (albeit, I am missing longbows in my collection, as I have zero longbows.) Now, it is time to spend money on DVDs to funnel money into proper learning and shooting form.
cheers.
I will look for the tradgang dvd and buy them. If there is a whole series, I will buy the entire series.
cheers.
Post by: ShinBone on January 03, 2013, 08:09:00 PM
is there a vol 2 ,3 ,4 like masters of barebow?
thx!
shinbone!
Post by: Terry Green on February 04, 2013, 12:39:00 PM
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Originally posted by Landlocked Pirate:Sorry for not seeing this earlier....would be a big help if you could video.
From way back pn page 4:
QuoteThe best way to get properly aligned is to do it on the bale....and find the place to anchor with your elbow pointing at 6 o'clock....and if you can find a second(double) anchor that's even better.I understand the concept, but with my particular build and my long arms, if I bring my elbow back to the full 6:00 position, then my hand is completely behind my head. Any suggestions on how to compensate? I plan on ordering the DVD by the way. [/b]
Post by: Terry Green on February 04, 2013, 12:39:00 PM
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Originally posted by ShinBone:Just the one....wish I had more time...I have footage for another...just not enough time.
How many volumes of tragan Hunter dvd's are there? I just bought the first volume for 8 dollars (a bargain). The vouliume is from 2007.
is there a vol 2 ,3 ,4 like masters of barebow?
thx!
shinbone!
Post by: jerseyboy on February 16, 2013, 03:12:00 PM
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Post by: S.C. Hunter on February 16, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
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Originally posted by jerseyboy:Yep same boat here. When I was still shooting a wheelie my draw was about 30.5" but that was with a release. I was shooting my longbow with a 28"-28.5" draw up until about a month ago. I now have a 29.5" draw, which I apparently had the entire time but was not taking advantage of that extra draw length. I was told initially that it is normal to be that much shorter with a trad bow.
It only took 40 years of shooting to realize this...oh boy
I was shooting well and never thought about changing anything. I was bent a little more at the waist than I needed to be and my head was forward more than needed, but I was hitting my anchor and thought all was well.
I have been spending a lot of time just drawing my bow holding, and putting the focus on my back tension. I am now able to come to draw and hold a little longer if I need to and feel no need to release the arrow on contact with my anchor. I now draw settle in focus on a spot and release. My daughter has been using a timer when I do this and the hold is between 1.45-1.79 sec I have her start the timer when I reach anchor. I also have done this holding for 5 sec and then release, this is for backyard practice no target just a focus on my form. For me this feels like forever because before she could not start and stop the timer fast enough to time me. I literally would draw hit anchor and the arrow was gone. I have practiced a lot holding for up to 20 sec for 3-5 reps and then 6 reps. But then I do another 5-10 reps holding for up to 15 sec. I will never be a really slow shooter it goes against my natural rhythm. The difference now is I actually take that extra second or two at full draw to settle into the shot. Feels so much better. Thanks Moebow
Post by: S.C. Hunter on February 16, 2013, 07:47:00 PM
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Originally posted by S.C. Hunter:Forgot to add I too have been shooting for about 40 years give or take a couple. I guess we never stop learning, or should I say we should never cease to learn something new.
QuoteOriginally posted by jerseyboy:Yep same boat here. When I was still shooting a wheelie my draw was about 30.5" but that was with a release. I was shooting my longbow with a 28"-28.5" draw up until about a month ago. I now have a 29.5" draw, which I apparently had the entire time but was not taking advantage of that extra draw length. I was told initially that it is normal to be that much shorter with a trad bow.
It only took 40 years of shooting to realize this...oh boy
I was shooting well and never thought about changing anything. I was bent a little more at the waist than I needed to be and my head was forward more than needed, but I was hitting my anchor and thought all was well.
I have been spending a lot of time just drawing my bow holding, and putting the focus on my back tension. I am now able to come to draw and hold a little longer if I need to and feel no need to release the arrow on contact with my anchor. I now draw settle in focus on a spot and release. My daughter has been using a timer when I do this and the hold is between 1.45-1.79 sec I have her start the timer when I reach anchor. I also have done this holding for 5 sec and then release, this is for backyard practice no target just a focus on my form. For me this feels like forever because before she could not start and stop the timer fast enough to time me. I literally would draw hit anchor and the arrow was gone. I have practiced a lot holding for up to 20 sec for 3-5 reps and then 6 reps. But then I do another 5-10 reps holding for up to 15 sec. I will never be a really slow shooter it goes against my natural rhythm. The difference now is I actually take that extra second or two at full draw to settle into the shot. Feels so much better. Thanks Moebow [/b]
Post by: Mint on March 18, 2013, 09:59:00 AM
The problem I had was that
i could never get my elbow back to really clench my back muscles together. One of the members of my archery club thought my build would make that
impossible so i didn't pursue it.
Last monday though I took an arrow and picked up my bow and didn't put the arrow on the sting but pretended to draw and sure enough it felt like i was able to get the proper form. so all week i prqacticed drawing my 45lb drake reproduction all the while driving my wife crazy having her look at my form. On Sunday i was able to get down to the club and try it out and it seems i am there with my lighter bows. I might be a tiny bit off but if i am i think i can get there. I know i must be doing something right since the upper back muscles are killing me today so they got a good workout.
The reason why i'm posting is that don't convince yourself that your body type won't let you work towards this goal. Pick up your bow and pretend to draw with an arrow to see if your body can do it. Then if you see that you can it will go a long way to you actually reaching your goal.
Post by: Scott Barr on April 20, 2013, 12:32:00 PM
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Post by: Firstlight on July 03, 2013, 08:06:00 PM
Wish things didn't take so long to get up to the island here in Canada.
This thread has been helpful. I'm unlearning some TP (short draw.)
I'm improving but relearning my form has me not shooting as well as I would like so it has it's frustrations.
New anchor (double), new draw and Moebow's rotational draw.
I do appreciate the effort and insights everyone contributes.
Post by: RonD on August 02, 2013, 08:10:00 AM
Post by: Terry Green on August 07, 2013, 07:00:00 PM
My arm doesn't over extend when locked, and still has a curve to it...I shoot locked, no matter recurve, longbow, or selfbow. HH shot with a bent arm....didn't seem to effect his accuracy.
:campfire:
Post by: JMR on August 31, 2013, 09:35:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on September 01, 2013, 08:09:00 PM
Stay after it...when you change something, sometimes it takes time to get use to it...and groove it in. Get all your energy going directly toward and away from the target, and your windage will be a non-issue...as long as your not torquing the string.
:campfire:
Post by: JMR on September 03, 2013, 02:22:00 AM
Post by: RonD on September 09, 2013, 12:32:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on September 09, 2013, 01:04:00 PM
Stand straight up and draw the bow.....then lean over at the waist....why would there be any difference?....cause there's not. You can draw incorrectly standing straight up....seen it many times before...standing straight up doesn't guarantee good form.
Standing vertical may have helped you get alignment better, the that's the same feeling I get in all 3 of these positions....
Over the Pond...... (http://www.tradgang.com/videos/tg/terry-2.wmv)
And, canting does NOT shorten your draw length if you are properly aligned.
Post by: RonD on September 09, 2013, 01:22:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on September 17, 2013, 10:15:00 AM
Post by: RonD on September 20, 2013, 11:07:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on September 26, 2013, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: BE Wild Willy on November 14, 2013, 10:47:00 PM
I'm waiting to receive my first Trad bow since the 80s and can't wait to try to work on proper form.
Much thanks from Shingletown...BEWW
Post by: RAGHORN 3 on December 20, 2013, 12:43:00 PM
Post by: Luke777 on April 05, 2014, 11:20:00 PM
Also, do you ever ship internationally? I would LOVE the instructional help of your video.
Kind regards and MANY thanks.
Luke
Post by: Terry Green on April 07, 2014, 06:55:00 PM
Sorry I didn't see this earlier.
Take care and best to all. :campfire:
Post by: Luke777 on April 08, 2014, 06:20:00 AM
Great!!
Post by: Echo62 on October 24, 2014, 06:15:00 PM
Post by: Sarge5706 on July 12, 2015, 11:54:00 AM
Buy the dang gum DVD.
I have three hunting bows, a Bear Super Kodiak at 55#, a Bear Take-Down hunter with bolt on limbs at 50# and a Damon Howatt @45#. I have split arrows with all three of them, so the ability (along with luck)is there. I shoot exculisively outdoors almost everyday in all conditions. I won't shoot if the the wind is howling or it is single digit cold. I shoot between thirty and fifty arrows each time out in strings of five.
What I lack is consistincy. I have read alot of articles and books about flinging arrows including this topic's blog from start to finish.
I've tried a lot of different things, including a double anchor and still couldn't get consistent hits on target. Finally I said what the hell and got the DVD.
It taught me a few things and reminded me of things I had forgotten.
One thing that I now know is that accuracy means doing what works.
I tried the double anchor and realized that my hands are too small or face too long to do it in the way that he describes. Then I focused on two other things that he said.
The first is "dragging your hand across your face." Now when I draw I drag the base knuckle of my thumb across my cheek starting at the corner of my mouth all the way back until my middle finger comes to anchor at the corner of my mouth.
The second thing that he said that hit home were the two words, "back tension." I had read before from others about pulling with your back, but it wasn't until I heard those two words together that I was able to put it all together.
Before I thought I was using my back muscles, but I was only using the muscles on one side, but by thinking back tension, I realized what I was doing and corrected it.
Then I brought two things that I learned from my marksmanship training in the Marine Corps. (paraphrase) the most important arrow you will shoot all day is the one you have nocked. And do the exact same thing each and every shot.
Now instead of hitting the target once or twice I am putting three and four shots into a 6 inch square. When I send one flying, instead of thinking of several things I might of done wrong, I can narrow it down to one or two things and correct it right away.
Shooting is fun again
Post by: Terry Green on July 31, 2015, 03:57:00 PM
Stay after it!!!!
:campfire:
Post by: Chain2 on May 05, 2016, 12:38:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on June 08, 2016, 02:42:00 PM
:clapper: :clapper: :clapper:
Post by: nhbuck1 on February 11, 2017, 01:30:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on March 06, 2017, 08:58:00 PM
You can also film yourself and see how you are doing....film from an elevated position from the rear.
Post by: Holybeardman on May 25, 2017, 01:05:00 PM
Looking to get more consistent and everything I've read has been of great help already.
Post by: Holybeardman on June 01, 2017, 06:14:00 PM
Just wanted to make sure you got my purchase for the Trad DVD.
Thanks in advance!
Post by: Terry Green on June 10, 2017, 01:55:00 PM
Post by: nhbuck1 on June 10, 2017, 04:17:00 PM
Post by: BijanO on November 03, 2017, 05:20:00 PM
The link in the early posts of this thread for the DVD do not seem to be working.
Any advice?
Thanks
Post by: wprovence on April 05, 2019, 12:01:06 PM
Post by: Terry Green on September 17, 2019, 01:00:55 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 04, 2022, 11:53:53 AM
I have a question for you Terry. Although string torque has been brought up several times, There is no mention of hand placement on the bow or wrist rotation and how it can effect bow torque or alignment.
This is something I’d love to hear your views on because i think it could help a lot of guys when developing proper alignment, and also help bow arm clearance issues.
Thanks, Kirk
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 14, 2022, 10:06:11 AM
Post by: Terry Green on December 10, 2022, 02:04:02 PM
Post by: JohnnyBa on May 15, 2023, 01:21:43 PM
WELL said molsonDitto. Great and wise words, thanks Mr Molson.
Post by: Maclean on July 13, 2023, 09:48:11 AM
I know everybody is different, but in my case I had to reach a certain amount of proficiency before I realized that I needed to improve my form. It wasn't until I could put 6 consecutive arrows into a 3 inch circle at 25 yards followed by 6 more at twice that spread that I realized my form was inconsistent.
Thanks again Terry, and all who've contributed to this thread.
Post by: Terry Green on October 03, 2023, 04:53:31 PM
I just reread this whole thread and noticed this topic hasn’t had a post in years. I have referred this topic to many guys struggling with form issues over the years, and it has some priceless info.
I have a question for you Terry. Although string torque has been brought up several times, There is no mention of hand placement on the bow or wrist rotation and how it can effect bow torque or alignment.
This is something I’d love to hear your views on because i think it could help a lot of guys when developing proper alignment, and also help bow arm clearance issues.
Thanks, Kirk
I totally forgot about this Kirk.... so sorry.... I'll post on this soon....
Post by: Terry Green on October 04, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Therefor I moved this thread from a stickied position on the shooters forum to here on the Powwow for more exposure for the time being.... and I'll move it back to the Shooters Form Forum at a later date.
Post by: Skates 2 on October 04, 2023, 09:59:27 AM
Post by: Maclean on October 04, 2023, 12:12:02 PM
Post by: F. Dobbs on October 04, 2023, 01:22:01 PM
The total complete alignment of domination.
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