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I've read post of guys saying they shoot "SPLIT VISION" type aiming style. Could someone explain this to me? Thanks in advance...
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Think of it as being aware of your arrow, while concentrating on the spot you want to hit.
Gapstinctive, if you will....
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Steve,
That's how I describe the way I shoot.
Basically, my focus is on the target but I am aware of the arrow tip in relation to the target.
I'm right-handed and "left eyed" so I see the arrow below and to the right of the target.
Hey I'm off work all next week...planning on making a loggy bayou trip later in the week.
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In a nut shell, it's focusing on the point to be hit, but still being aware of the arrows (the tip) relationship with the target.
As an excersise try what Howard Hill suggested.
Pick a point on a wall as your imaginary target. While focusing your vision on that point and not looking away, point your finger at a different point several feet away.
It just shows (and trains your concentration) that you can focus one place and point another.
For instance... I know that at 15 yards the tip of my arrow will line up with the feet of my 3D deer. I can focus at the point on the deer I want to hit and place the tip of my arrow on the feet of the target without losing concentration on the spot to hit.
If the target is closer or further I can make the needed adjustment without changing focus on the spot to hit.
Very handy for learning where to hold and it becomes quite "instinctive" after a while.
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sounds like gap shooting to me
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Well explained Charlie. It's how I shoot also, or perhaps try would be better.
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Originally posted by trapperDave:
sounds like gap shooting to me
In away it is, but it's done like the others have said.....
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I wish I could learn this. ANy resources???
Mike, pm'd ya...
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Become the arrow ( video ) would be good as he demonstraits how its done and methods on how to pratice for it .
Mike
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Bob Wesley , teaches this in North Carolina , he was taught by Howard Hill.... :)
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I call myself a gap shooter. My gaps are not nearly as much as some of you guys talk about. Maybe six inches below what I want hit at 20 yards. Might be more instintive than gap.
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Crooked: you can have pretty much any gap you want at 20 yards, depending on where you anchor or whether you're shooting split fingers or three fingers under. If you're shooting three fingers under and have the arrow right up under your eye, you might be almost point on at 20 yards. If you're shooting split fingers and anchoring under your chin, I can't even imagine what the gap would be at 20 yards.
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peripheral vision is the scientific name for it. The problem is not everyone has the same amount. Mine is about 90 degrees. Some people have 120 degrees or more. Some have less than 20 or 30 degrees. When helping someone with their aiming technique it would be nice to know how many degrees they have.
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Charlie.. I hear ya, and I read what HH has said, but I still don't get it. Not ..what he is doing...but why ? If you are "aware of the arrow point and where it is" why even look at the place you want to hit ? Why not look at the point and be "aware" of the target.
I don't shoot that way and that doesn't help me at all understand this, but it seems like you are just using the arrow point to aim, period . ???
Is this one of those things that, if you have to explain it I wouldn't understand ?
ChuckC
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ChuckC, I've wondered the same thing myself.
When I went through rifle training in the Marines, we were taught to focus on the front sight, so that the target and the rear sight were out of focus. They could even tell if we were focusing on the target instead of our front sight, as our shots would circle around the bull rather than grouping inside. They called it "chasing the bull" (and called us something impolite, as I recall).
I wonder why it's the opposite when gap shooting a bow? I suppose you could try it both ways and see which way works the best, but there is probably some explanation for it.
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McDave. Sometimes some of the things we do were done by those before us and that's why we still do them. I don't know enough about this technique. i can't do it at all because of my shooting style (or lack thereof). I went thru FLETC training and was taught the same (as the Marines) which makes it even tougher for me.
Maybe someone can give an answer...maybe it is one of those things I wouldn't understand even if they explained it to me. don't know.
ChuckC
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A bow at 160-200 FPS requires much bettter follow through, than a rifle round at 2800-3100 FPS...that why its important to focus on target rather than the point....being at the target in both vison and mental focus, allows better followthrough, than on a point thats gonna react faster than the arrow can clear the bow.
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The best description I have read for how Howard Hill aimed when using Split Vision was this.
Based on the distance of the target, Howard would know exactly where his arrow point needed to be in order to hit the target. He would than place the arrow tip on an imaginary spot where it needed to be near the target and focus the majority of his attention on the target while still being aware of where the arrow tip was in relationship to the target. Hence....Split Vison.
It was basically combining Point of Aim with Gap.
Ray ;)
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Get yourself the Masters of the Barebow dvd. It shows some of the world's top archers. Some shoot gap and explain it well, others talk about looking at one spot on the target, others explain their split vision shooting style.
Get some rubber tips and a bag full of tennis balls. Throw them out on the range and shoot at them before they stop.
Hitting them like howard hill is another important dvd to watch.
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When I shoot I can see the arrow and I do line it up right and left but not up and down. I couldn't tell you where the point is, its just a feeling. I know when I'm pointing at the right spot and let it go.
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Chuck:
It is more like shotgun shooting than rifle or pistol shooting. You look at the target and at close range or on a mover or a flyer ignore the sight, which hereabouts is the arrowhead. At long ranges and when you have more time you begin to become aware of the position of the arrowhead. At a certain range, your 'point-on' range, they overlap.
The key point is that your focus is on the exact point you intend to hit, on your game or on your target. Awareness of the position of the arrowhead is secondary. - lbg
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I read descriptions of this technique several times and couldn't figure out what the point was.
Here's a tip: just follow the step-by-step instructions Howard gives in Hunting the Hard Way. Even though you might not understand a step: do it.
The light will go on.
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I tried that method that hill used and I had absolutely no luck with it. I like to focus on the spot and loose the arrow. I do better that way,and it much simpler than try to have the arrow tip to confuse things,and trying to know the exact yardage. Dr.Stacy Grosscup said it best.Your brain is the greatest computer ever built.
You will automatically adjust for yardage if you concentrate on the spot you want to hit. Which is why we can point at something,and our finger will be aimed dead center of it.
Stacy could shoot aspirins out of the air,hit thrown targets while he was running,stick one dart into another time after time from his blowgun until there would be four or five darts stuck together. The man knew how to shoot instinctive.
I try to avoid anything that makes it harder than just pointing my finger (the arrow) at the target and shooting it. That's what works for me.
:campfire:
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every one is different. I tryed gap but it did not work for me. I tryed instinctive and had some success. but ever since I mixed the two I have been getting great groups where I want them.