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I have been doing really well with my TP ive been able to shoot without my clicker but I still want to use it when I feel nervous. I still use it but I have times that on certain shots where I feel pressure I tend to freeze up before the click and just kinda hang at full draw. This has happened to me a lot when trying to shoot at small game the pressure tends to make me freeze up. I have on a few occasions pulled through the click but want to be able to do it on a consistent basis. Just wondering if this happens to anyone? If so how do you go about getting the click off on high pressure shots? Ive never even drawn on a deer with a trad bow but I know im gonna be a lot more pumped then shooting at a squirrel and I want to know how to fix this so I make a good shot.
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Nick if you are going to use the clicker, then I would suggest using it on EVERY shot that you make. If you "click" sometimes, then others shoot without pulling through the click, then you are just causing your brain more confusion.
When you draw back, just tell yourself that the arrow doesn't leave until you pull through the click. Keep after it, and it will eventually become second nature.
Allen
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Amen. I absolutely agree with Allen - the way to be consistent is to do (or at least try as hard as you can to do) the same things on every shot. If you're going to use the clicker, use it always until your brain has simply made that part of the system requirements for a shot.
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Ive been really working on it with my 45lb bow and I find its easier if I dont pay no mind to the click and just focus on my spot. In doing so my hand just slowly creeps back until the click goes off. Its getting to where I dont really notice the click but I must be doing something right I drilled a tennis ball tonight in my yard at 25 yards. If I tell myself "Make a controlled shot" I seem to do better then just pullin up and shooting.
Allen did you kill the buck in your avatar using a clicker? Im anxious to try this year at the 3-D shoots last year I really fell apart but since using the clicker for a year I feel more confident then last year.
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Originally posted by dragon rider:
Amen. I absolutely agree with Allen - the way to be consistent is to do (or at least try as hard as you can to do) the same things on every shot. If you're going to use the clicker, use it always until your brain has simply made that part of the system requirements for a shot.
Ill do that I found I could shoot for about a week and a half before my shot started to speed up again. I will stay with the clicker I know then I wont snap shoot or short draw on game I found that with the clicker I can ALWAYS draw and hold but like I said on some shots I just cant seem to make it go off but its getting better.
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Nick, I've used a clicker for the past 17 years or so. The buck in my AVATAR was just about 4 yards from the base of my treestand. I didn't "click" on the shot since he was so close and was extremely nervous as I had called him in. After a while you learn where the click is, and I have made close shots on several deer by just stopping short of the click before release.
Allen
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Tell yourself that the shot doesn't go off without the clicker...every time. Execute the shot COMPLETELY and the rest will take care of itself. If you're practicing and the clicker doesn't seem to want to go off, let down and start over. It happens to me once and awhile, and when I realize that I'm at full draw too long, I let down. Refuse to shoot without completing the shot as you intended. Good luck, stick with it, and you'll enjoy shooting again!
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How do you get the same string length on each bow? I have 3 bows setup with clickers I think I have them all pretty close but not as precise as id like. Could I just mark an arrow for my draw length then just set it up so the click goes off a 1/4in or so past my anchor? I figure that way no matter what I know all my bows are consistent to my DL
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Oh yea and I forgot for hunting purposes would you sugguest serving in the clicker stirng to the bow string? I was thinkin of using compound D Loop material because that stuff is durarble camo and ties easy. I just dont wanna get my clicker string caught in a bush or something then move out of place
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Nick, I set the length of the clickers on my different bows by marking an arrow, then having my wife watch as I draw it back, adjusting 'till I get them all the same. (Note...I find that I draw shorter with a lower wrist grip than with a higher wrist grip, so they all aren't exactally the same).
I use the D loop material for my clickers as well. I melt a mushroom on the end that goes through the clicker, then glue it with something like Shoe Goo. On the end that goes through the string, again I melt a mushroom, then just put it straight through the middle of the bow string strands, then serve above it with dental floss.
I leave the bottom side unserved so I can pull the cord out whenever I need to add twists to my string. (This will cause you to have to re-do how the cord enters the bowstring.
Also, I silence the spring steel portion with moleskin....gets them pretts quiet, however some are noisier than others.
Hope this isn't clear as mud! Let me know if you have any more Q's.
Allen
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You can also set your clicker with an arrow shaft and a piece of tape.
Measure from the throat of your nock, down the shaft to your draw length. Wrap the tape and leave the tag end pointing toward your bow riser. The tape should be touching the far end of your draw length mark.
Set your clicker so it goes off when the tape touches the far side of your bow's riser. It's the same basic thing Allen does, except you can do it without any help.
I actually keep a bare shaft in my practice quiver with a piece of tape on it. If I suspect the clicker isn't going off at the right time, I can quickly confirm and adjust if needed. After you shoot with a clicker for a while, you'll be surprised at easily you notice if it's changed.
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Allen, If you have that much control over your shooting, then do you really need a clicker? Or is it just a confidence thing that you feel comfortable knowing it's there after all this time?
Just wondering bud....
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Jason, that's a great tip!
Curt, it is all about confidence for me. I can take the clicker off and shoot "OK", but when I'm shooting with it, I have complete confidence. I very rarely have a "flyer" even in my back yard while shooting a lot. The clicker makes me execute the shot with near perfect form every time.
Some of my shooting buds tell me that I don't need it, then I go out and beat them by 30 or 40 points on a 3D range (not bragging, just fact). It's the shooting form that I've developed over a long time, and I see no reason to change it.
Allen
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thats exactly why i use a clicker on all my bows. confidence!
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also A.S., i setup mine pretty much like you do but i actually tie the string on the bowstring and melt a mushroom, put a drop of glue on it, and then serve above and below it. if i have to twist my string the knot will let me without having to redo the whole setup.
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BMB, so are you tying the clicker cord around the bowstring so that it can slip around when you have to put twists in your string?
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I put mine on leave about four balls on the chain. tie the dloop cord to the eye on that end. put some tape on it to keep it from hitting the bow.on the other end I seperate the string run it through three times burn the end of it. I dont serve it in.makes it easy to adjust.
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Does anyone know where you can pick up some double sided tape to use for reattaching old clickers? I cant seem to find it anywere.
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PSU, check at Walmart or an auto supply place. 3M makes just what you need, it's kind or a double sided foam tape. You should find it near the duct tape and stuff.
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A.S.- yes thats exactly how i do it. and i put the drop of glue on the knot to ensure it stays....had this setup on one bow for 2yrs now. jusst getting ready to replace the bowstring, so i'll have to re-do it then.
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Thats a pretty good idea bmb. Unravelling the twists is a pain.
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Originally posted by A.S.:
Jason, that's a great tip!
Curt, it is all about confidence for me. I can take the clicker off and shoot "OK", but when I'm shooting with it, I have complete confidence. I very rarely have a "flyer" even in my back yard while shooting a lot. The clicker makes me execute the shot with near perfect form every time.
Some of my shooting buds tell me that I don't need it, then I go out and beat them by 30 or 40 points on a 3D range (not bragging, just fact). It's the shooting form that I've developed over a long time, and I see no reason to change it.
Allen
Thats one of the reasons I like the clicker is because of the confidence factor. I know I will never snap shoot with the clicker on my bow. Basicley it forces me to hold.
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Best thing I have used is velcro you can keep on using it.
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Originally posted by PSUBowhunter:
Does anyone know where you can pick up some double sided tape to use for reattaching old clickers? I cant seem to find it anywere.
I use 3M exterior mounting tape. It comes in a red package. It's a little more expensive than the regular mounting tape, but works quite a bit better.
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Originally posted by Jason R. Wesbrock:
Originally posted by PSUBowhunter:
Does anyone know where you can pick up some double sided tape to use for reattaching old clickers? I cant seem to find it anywere.
I use 3M exterior mounting tape. It comes in a red package. It's a little more expensive than the regular mounting tape, but works quite a bit better.
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Good point I use pretty much the same stuff. Then I wrap my clicker with tape or mole skin if I have it that I way I know its not goin anywhere.
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Yes that tape works very well for reattaching the base. I have been using a clicker for several years and it has definitely helped me. I put some soft side of the velcro on the metal clicker part and it as almost silent, I can feel the click more then hear it when I draw and it has definitely helped me develop a consistent draw and anchor as well as makes me hesitate before shooting so everything is lined up. Have taken many animals with the clicer on the bow and never had a problem with any animals hearing it but then again, it is very quiet the way I have it set up. With the way I shoot, would not shoot without it. It just instills more confidence for me. Mark
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mark...i do the same thing with the velcro. ive shot pigs and deer with a clicker and like you said, none have heard it go off. i release at the click, which is barely heard...on a side note mark, are you shooting a dorado. i saw a gator pic of you on a bowfishin forum and wondered if you hunted with one. i know i love m hoyt gm2's!!
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Jason, that's the same tape that I use...works great!!
Mark and BMB, I'llhave to try velcro on the clicker part. I've always used moleskin, but sometimes they aren't quite as silent as I would like.
Allen
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I serve my clicker string into the bow string. If I need to adjust the brace height, I just unscrew the clicker from the plate and get the twists out that way. Real simple. My backup string has the whole clicker string and plate attached, so if I need to change bow strings, I would just unscrew the clicker and change the bow string. Haven't had to do it yet, but that's my plan. It sounds like most people have removed the chain and gone with just the string. I've been setting up like that for quite awhile, and never had a problem. I think removing the chain makes the shot quieter, also.
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Yep, the velcro on the clicker works great and you can make it silent if you want.
Yes Brandon I have a Dorado and a Gamemaster as well and shoot both. They are good shooting bows and about the same performance as my BW SA's but I do prefer hunting with the BW, just have alot of history with those bows and they feel more like "home" to me in the woods, but looking forward to doing some hunting with the Dorado and see what I can get with it. Mark
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yeah the BW'S are nice....when i can save up i want to get a PL, i've heard their bows are about as bullet proof as the metal riser recurves and longbows. but then again thats why i like both of my gamemasters. you dont have to worry about them.
Good luck this season,
brandon
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Im starting to get over my freezing and my accuracy is really getting honed. We got a break in the rain yesterday so I went out to stump and ran in to this guy. No freezing here I was able to draw hold pull in to the click and make a quality shot. These things are hard to hit and always seem to duck the arrow. This one tried 10 yard shot 6 inch recovery
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hahaha! great shooting 2blade
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Nick you know i developed the same problem back in south africa when i was just shooting at game so much that i started short drawing, my brain was saying i was "on target" before i was hitting full draw and so i would release. i decided to give a clicker a try, reluctantly.
using the clicker greatly improved my shooting and unbelievable consistency. i have shot quite a bit without a clicker with no short draw problems now but i still use a clicker on my hunting bow, i used to silence the clicker in fear that it would spook animals but dont even do that now, iv never had an animal hear the clicker.
now that i know it works for me i see no reason to change it so i leave the clicker on.
so much of archery is in our head and sometimes you have to give your brain a process to follow, your brain always trys to do something more efficiently so if it feels it can discard something to make the action faster it does. for me the process was
stance
grip
aim whilst drawing
anchor
aquire sight picture
release
follow through
but my brain would leave out the "anchor" and go strait to release once the sigh picture was attained whilst drawing. which would usually be 1/2" to 1" before anchor.
but with the clicker my brain realizes it must hear the click before i release be at right at the click or a second or to after.
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One thing that helped me was following Rick Welches routine it really does relax you and helpes to make a good quality shot. I too find I can shoot ok without it but I dont only hold for about a second or so. Its only been a year though so I can only assume its going to get better as time goes on.
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How far after your anchor point do you guys set the click? Is yours right after your anchor where if you barely pull your in to the click or do you have to work for it a little bit?
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mine is right after i anchor,when i start really squeezing my shoulder blades toward each other....its actually not long after the anchor though
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Maybe I need to work on my anchor I cant seem to get it consistenly the same. Its not off by much but enough to bother me and the clicker lets me know me.
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Very interesting reading !!!
What kind of clicker do you used ??
Which is the best ??
How many models and where to find them ??
Thank you .
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I use the Clickity Clicker and theres also the Crick It Clicker only diffirence I see is the Crick It has a smaller base. You can order them at www.3RiversArchery.Com. (http://www.3RiversArchery.Com.) Both are good but some guys just like the smaller base more.
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Ok thank you Nick
for the info
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Nick, I set the "click" so it's just short of full draw. I can tell if I have it too long---it starts to feel like I'm streatched out too much, and I start cutting my nose with the bowstring.
Allen
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Another quick quesion for you guys. When at full draw do you guys pull back slow until it goes off kinda like a surprise release? Or do you just pull back in to the click when your ready to shoot?
Another question my cousin he shoots recurve and is a snap shooter. He is a good shot this way and he makes controlled shots (not a TP snap shooter) anyhow he wants to use a clicker. I know it can be used as a draw check so could he set a clicker to go off as soon as he hits anchor? I think this would work and prevent any possible TP he may develope because he knows he cant shoot unless it clicks. Id like someone who knows a little more then me to answer this though before I tell him I dont want to mess him up in the long run!
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Nick, yes I get to full draw, settle in, aim, aim, aim, and slowly increase my draw and let the click come as a surprise, then release immediately. I can tell I'm pulling through the shot correctly when my draw hand comes back and touches my collar bone.
I'm not sure what to say about your cousin, other than have him give it a try...can't hurt anything.
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i set my clicker so that it clicks when i get to correct alignment,(as seen in Terry greens form clock) from there i aim and keep squeezing until i release sometime i will shoot strait after the click sometimes a second or 2 after.