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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: Pinecone on February 21, 2010, 10:36:00 AM
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Well, I wasn't very happy with my shooting last year and I am using my time during the off-season to regroup. I have a target set up in my basement that is 9 yards away and I've been working on a number of elements of my shot sequence. In addition, I am trying a tab instead of a glove.
Honestly, the tab feels kind of awkward at this stage, but I have to admit that the release itself is smoother. One of the challenges I am experiencing is trying to find a new place to anchor. With my glove, I always hit the back of my canine tooth, but I can not hit that spot with the tab because of the position of my fingers relative to the end of the tab.
Where do you tab shooters anchor? Any tips from those who have switched from a glove to a tab?
Thanks.
Claudia
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First of all, I always give new tabs a rub of either Montana Pitch blend or Gilberts shoe grease to soften them up, neetsfoot oil would work too. I anchor my middle finger at the corner of my mouth and then pull though the shot until the feather hits my nose (cock feather in). That way I have a constant release point..PR
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Thumb knuckle locked in the back of the jaw. That sets draw length and anchor for the most part. The only thing left is head up and down angle. I use the index finger under the cheek bone for that. I lock the thumb in and then just drop the head down until it sets solid on the index finger. On release I want that index finger to drop and run right under the cheek bone and under the ear lob.
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Claudia,
I took a tip from Dave Bulla & cut my tab down till I've got about 3/8" of my finger tips showing when I put my fingers around the string. That way, you can make contact with your anchor & still protect your fingers. Pick up an inexpensive tab & use some scissors. Follow the outline of the tab & be sure to put some extra depth in the slot. You won't be as concerned about cutting up an inexpensive tab. When you get it where you like, cut your good tab. Hope this helps you as much as it helped me.
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I am in the process of switching to a tab.I have been shooting in my garage due to the weather and only have about a 5 yard shot at a slightly downward angle.One thing I have noticed is that the lower half to lower third of my right ring finger pad is taking a beating.Is this normal or am I doing something wrong?
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I shoot tab and glove. The tab is not as quick as the glove for nocking arrows in a quick manner but the release with the tab just feels better. Depending but I usually anchor at the corner of my mouth or end of my mustash. I have been so frightened about getting the long curling handlebar part of my mustash caught in the string I finnaly cut them off recently. I never did get it caught but it worried me to the point I sacrificed them. The finger holes in most purchased tabs are the same size. The diference is the lenght of the leather that covers them. I found that a smaller one is what worked for me as I could feel the tips of my fingers touching my mustash and face. I would make it smaller like Butch said so you can feel for your anchor point.
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Give it time. Takes a while. I tried a lot of different tabs. The advice on cutting down the tab is spot on - otherwise the tab hangs on the bow string too long and you can't anchor correctly. My favorite tabs are the Kant Pinch Finger Tab with the Calfhair Face and Calfskin Back. The separator helps prevent pinching, and the calfhair makes for a real slick release. For my lighter poundage bows I like the Vista Mega II Tab with a soft spacer and felt backing. You can really feel the string with these tabs, and they don't "take a set" like a cordovan tab. Good Luck!
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I am like stickmanfrick. I tried just about every tab including cordovan and could feel the string, feel my anchor point and get a much better release with a calfhair tab. The Neet tab to me was the best. It does wear out quicker than say a cordovan, but it made a big difference in my shooting. It is very pliable and really get a good feel with it. No break in time needed. Has a finger separator as well which helps. It was interesting to me how much difference I shot when using different tabs. I anchor with my middle finger in the corner of my mouth. Good luck.
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Junglecat was referring to the beating on this ring finger. I have had the same issue. I do not feel I am torquing the string, I know this can be a sign of that. Is there something else that may be causing the ring finger pain??
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I like the Blackwidow tabs because they have a raised back section to place the string against the same with every shot.
Any tab that gives you a solid locator so you pick the string up the same each time "has to be good.
Theirs heaps of others with this type of design but the Widows are about the cheapest.
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This information/advice is great...Thank You to Everyone! I was out of town yesterday, so didn't get a chance to shoot. I'll try some of the suggestions made here tonight when I get home and report back. Stay tuned...
Claudia
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I'm a fairly new shooter, at it for 1 1/2 years. But I have only used a tab and recently found a major preference. I lost my tab that had a rubber block that would help keep my index and middle fingers separated where the nock is. Going to a tab without this block of rubber I now find that I have finger pinch and the nock actually begins to hurt my fingers where they are pinched around it. Good luck!
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I like Black Widow tabs as well, excellent consistency and last quite a while.
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I used a tab for my first 28 years of archery (1969-1977) recurves and then compounds. Then switched to release aid (compound). Been shooting recurve off and on again since 2001, serious for two months. I love the glove (very soft fingered glove -- Damascus-type) and would never shoot the tab again. Too uncomfortable and causes too much "rolling" of the bowstring. I tested a tab for for a manufacturer who wanted kids to use it. I couldn't believe the difference (poor) in arrow flight with the tab compared to the glove. If you use a tab, those who have suggested you trim them and how are right on -- a poorly fit tab will be uncomfortable and even hurt to use. A poorly fit tab won't allow a firm feel of the index finger tip at the corner of the "smile". Be careful about taking the anchor past the corner of the mouth. If you overdraw (like most of us have or do) you'll never be able to experience proper back motion to execute the shot.
I hate to suggest but I'm' sure your issue would be better solved by revisiting the shooting process over the equipment.
There is a program that has trained 16,000 teachers and 5.2 million kids over the past 8 years. A very successful coach of Olympic archers developed a DVD for this program and it is for sale at www.nasparchery.com (http://www.nasparchery.com) It will make almost everyone a better archer. Some who have used it won't even tell their buddies about it! I'm not trying to sell you the DVD. I wish I would have known what it teaches my first 35 years of shooting a bow!
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Thanks everyone. I've had a busy week at work and have only shot intermittently as a result. Thankfully, I can get some time in at my practice block this weekend.
I should have clarified that I shoot three-under. I got a new tab this week and the fit is much better...very easy to find my anchor, as my fingertips are slightly exposed at the end of the tab. Now for the next challenge...I seem to be hitting myself in the mouth with the tab as I release (that's quite an experience :eek: !). My guess is that this is a consequence of a form issue and has little to do with the tab itself. In fact, I think inadequate back tension could be the culprit. If I am correct, why would this form problem be revelaed with the tab but not the glove? Any thoughts?
Claudia
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Claudia, I'd suggest the bateman 3 under cordovan tab for your style, I love mine and they last a Long time.
When you say your hitting yourself in the mouth, are you talking about the ends of the tab hitting you in the mouth as you uncurl your fingers? if so, it's because your tab needs trimmed on the ends (it's too long) or, Your not addressing the string the same way as when you use your glove ie. maybe your curling your fingers around the string more or getting a deeper hook than you did with your glove, or your turning your head more into the string.
Here are a couple web sites that carry the bateman tab, you will probably need a size (small)...
http://www.3riversarchery.com/Armguards+Gloves+Tabs++3-Fingers+Under+Cordovan+Tab_c1_s81_p0_iTC3X_product.html
http://www.ewbateman.com/FingerTabs.htm
Cat. No. 3TABC
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Claudia, what Butch Speer said! Try trimming the tab down gradually, you will be surprised how much of the last digit of your fingers will be exposed past the tab without discomfort. I have ended up cutting mine out of a THIN leather sheet from Hobby Lobby, Tandy Leather Co. etc.. I have found with this set-up (confirmed on a chronograph)an amazingly consistent release very easily felt and shot.
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Are you hitting your mouth with the tab, your fingers, or the string? If you have a nice limp hand release you will not do anything to your face unless it is when the fingers open and the tab rubs your face, but even then I would suspect the string is coming off the ends of the fingers or tab and hitting your face. If the tab is at your finger tips or less when on the string you shouldn't hit your face with it on release. With a glove you get the string a lot farther from the face. Move it way in, and you can get your face in different places with the string depending on your build. For me it was the cheek. I thought when I had the problem that it was my finger nail. I had to work on turning my head more forward. That fixed it.
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For those who have a problem with roughing up the bottom of your ring finger read my post on this thread. After some changes to my release I was getting the same thing. This little change has cleared it right up from what I can tell and I am not having any return of my old problem.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=005149;p=2
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I ordered two Bateman tabs from 3R last week and have been shooting with one for the last couple of days. Today's shooting session was particulalry good as I am begining to feel more comfortable with the tab and have managed to eliminate the problem of whacking my mouth (thank goodness!).
The Bateman tab has made a huge difference. With my fingertips extending beyond the end, this tab feels a lot more natural. I think that by the time I shoot another 100 arrows, I may wonder why I haven't been using a tab all along. One thing is for sure, the tab release is so smooth and clean, it's hard to imagine going back to my glove.
Thanks for all of the help, guys. I appreciate you!
Claudia
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I shoot 3 under with the bateman tab. anchor finger in the corner of my mouth. I use to shoot a glove changed to the tab about three years ago. It took awhile to get use to it tho.
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Bateman tab works best for me also (3under) I trimmed off the top corner, It was hitting my nose.
I anchor thumb knuckle to earlobe, feather touching nose.
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I just switched to a tab and wow. I get some nasty plucks and just plain rough releases with a glove. I tried the tab and bingo smooth as can be. I couldn't believe how much better my shooting was. The only thing I'm working out is my anchor. I think I'm going to use my cheek bone and my mouth as a new anchor. A number of friends have told me to use a tab for years. I'm a slow learner to old dog sindrome!!
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I'll be taking scissors to my tab tonight! Hope that makes the small difference I've been looking for.
Thanks for the xprt advise
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Yep, trimming the tab does help. Also, it's been very cool to read about PCs progression in tab usage. No doubt can outshoot me any day!
Thanks Pinecone
Eddie
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Wapitimike, I can relate. With a glove, sometimes it felt like my fingers would kind of cling to the string. The resulting pluck was anything but pretty :scared: . The tab definately changed all of that! :thumbsup:
Don't be too sure about me out-shooting you, Eddie. I did very well on targets and at tounaments last year, but missed a couple of critters that I should have killed. As a result, I completely revamped my shot (and focus) over the Winter and am now feeling much better about things. But the proof is in the pudding, so we'll see what happens during turkey season :pray: . Stay tuned...!
Claudia