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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: K. Mogensen on June 17, 2010, 02:13:00 PM
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Just got Masters of the Bare bow 3 and thought I'd share some of my thoughts on it.
First I have to say that watching this DVD has really helped me get back tension right. I was having a semi-hard time with that. I thought I was using it correctly but now I don't think I ever was. Rod's bit about sort of "rotating" (for lack of a better term) your elbow with your back muscles rather than pull straight back helped me quite a bit.
However, I gotta say that the most beneficial part of the whole DVD was Larry's part about a back tension anchor. That has helped me immensly. My groups tightened up a little, and they're a lot more consistent so far. Bravo Larry!
Oh, and watching D. Sturgis talk about animals running around covered in turpentine with their a$$'s on fire and his bow string hitting his man titty was hilarious.
Chad Weaver (LBR) said this one is the Meat n taters of the group, and I believe him.
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Kiefer, Get a form master and pull your bow without holding the string with your fingers...you will for sure understand what back tension is.
I believe that most people don't know what back tenison is and how it feels to draw using the proper muscles. I've shot for almost 40 years and didn't know till Rod worked with me.
Chad's right about MBB III being the meat n taters of the bunch.
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Hey Keith, what is a form master? does it attach to the bow string? Just guessing by the way your post reads, where would you get a form master?
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David, Sent you a PM.
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Don't be surprised if you have trouble drawing your bow with just the formaster. It really shows how much arm muscles you're using instead of the shoulder and back like you should be doing. Its a pretty darn good workout!
I'm still working on the back tension thing myself. Sometimes I feel it, other times (mostly) I just can't seem to make it work. I shoot with a home made form master and do pretty good with that, but I think its more due to a good follow through, or pull through the release, and not back tension.
I do want to try that back tension anchor that Larry talks about.
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I do want to get a formaster. They're a bit pricey though.
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Back tension is everything for me; if I let off with the back, my hand "grabs" the string and I pluck for sure. I can tell because the string whacks my nose and my shots just about always go left, due to the plucking effect of my hand moving away to the right sending my bow arm in the opposite direction. It's hard to get the feel unless you go down in bow weight to something that you can pull without incorporating your shoulder and biceps muscles, at least it was for me.
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I do pretty much the same thing. Thanks to Larry's anchor though, I can feel when I'm using tension. If I don't use correct tension, my shots go to the right too...
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I think you hit the nail on the head Diamond Paul, I was over bowed for years, I was drawing 28" at most shooting 60# bows @ 28", I think short drawing, collapse, and poor form was inevitable drawing bows of this weight, I would say that is the number one mistake made in traditional archery. I am 6'4" and now drawing 31" shooting a 45# @ 28", I most certainly was not aligned before, I now anchor for 2 to 3 seconds, and then complete expansion which increases my draw another 1/4 to 3/4" and that triggers my release. Someone asked the other day, how can you complete expansion when you are already at anchor, that is telling me they are over bowed, because I could not do it if I were still shooting 60# bows, heck, I didn't even get to my anchor shooting those bows, which caused snap shooting and every other bad habit I can think of. That being said, I have a form master in my near future as I am sure even though I think I am using the proper back muscles and tension, I more than likly am not, and at the very least need improvement in that area.
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Kiefer,
Do a search on "make a formaster" here in the shooters forum. They are pretty easy to make and pretty easy to use too.
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Originally posted by ncsaknech1ydh:
I think you hit the nail on the head Diamond Paul, I was over bowed for years, I was drawing 28" at most shooting 60# bows @ 28", I think short drawing, collapse, and poor form was inevitable drawing bows of this weight, I would say that is the number one mistake made in traditional archery.
I think I may have the same problem too. Not so overbowed. I am curious though how one can stay overbowed for so long (years) and not simply adapt to the resistance and build up strength. Shouldn't that happen with time?
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Originally posted by wmcclendon:
Kiefer,
Do a search on "make a formaster" here in the shooters forum. They are pretty easy to make and pretty easy to use too.
Hey thanks! I'll have to try that!